"ALPA shill." Gotta hang onto that one. Most of my gripes are about the gutless and corrupt reps on our MEC, some of whom have cards on file with the DPA.

It's not a mystery novel. It's an indictment. Whoever wrote the DPA governance desired an outcome where one third of the membership could control everything.

Why would anyone view that as superior to a true democracy?

There are some other gems in the C&BL. Stuff that will get Timmy sued for DFR on Day One. I'll allow your suspense to fester a bit.

Love that transcript. Idiots...

 

Just read it. Did ALPA really bail on him 2 weeks prior?! How is this possible? Is he still a dues paying member? Can ALPA arbitrarily decide to not represent a member and then side with the company on a grievance? This is very troubling.

I have written off ALPA as too bureaucratic to take a strong stance on anything related to national politics or bargaining. For my money I only rely on them as insurance against one day making a mistake or being singled out for discipline. What am I paying for?

 

notEnuf,

Don't the transcripts shows TC discussing this with ALPA and the company since April 4, 2016?

The DPA emails from shortly after that (April 27, 2016) indicate that Tim was unhappy with ALPA representation and (my interpretation) be unwilling to have them represent him anyways in a grievance. Being told by experts that there was no grievance didn't stop TC in this instance, just like it didn't stop him from pursuing retribution for his furlough by going on the rivet campaign. He's a guy who is unable to accept an answer he doesn't like, even if every expert is telling him different, and he'd be happy to have ALPA exposed to a frivolous charge for a crazy grievance.

Or he's just trying to be contumacious.

 

Contumacious in my case refers to the NO vote, kinda like wearing the Rocket Surgeon moniker with pride.

I get the DPA emails and recently started reading them as my confidence in ALPA's leadership to RESTORE our contract is waning. JM's words. I supported him then because I believed in his ability and integrity. Now I question his willingness to achieve RESTORATION without giving concessions. QOL needs to be RESTORED too.

 

I've only seen "contumacious" used by one other person, and that was by an ALPA attorney in the DPA hacking case. It's in the court transcript I believe someone posted on Chit Chat, and maybe here. If imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, you are choosing the right person.

It's normal to feel uncertainty and a lack of confidence at the end game. Join the crowd.

Restoration has many different meanings. What is restoration for a 1986 hire is different than a 2007 hire.

 

I don't doubt the differences a diverse pilot group of 13000+ with ages ranging from 20s to 64+. 2001 hires also have a different perspective, as due the pilots from a non-Delta legacy background.

I am not nervous (your word) because I have been to this rodeo before. I am dismayed at the lack of resolve because again I will be presented with an agreement that has nothing in the form of QOL gains and pay that is not industry leading. This is likely the best/only opportunity for real gains and we seem to be wasting it on forming new disciplinary and pay review boards. My, how far we have fallen. The end will only come when management agrees to the more that reasonable December table position.

There is no reason to accept anything less. If his takes years, that is on management. For those who have the most to lose or gain from this contract it will be well worth the wait. I could have 20 years remaining under the baseline set by this contract. Many will have 30+. The damage done by QOL concessions won't even be felt by most of the YES men.

 

Fair enough. I think the math on that equation is pretty simple.

I guess we always have profit sharing... and if management wants to give us that, with no changes, you can guess how much it'll be worth in a few years.

 

Just curious. How long do you have til 65?

 

If you are willing to say, go first. Does it matter? We have all generations represented at Delta. Those very close to 65 will only live with this agreement for a few years while the rest of the pilots will live with it for the duration of their careers, some in excess of 40 years.

 

I have 9 years left. And yes it does matter. The problem with what I keep seeing here is that those of us with less time left should either a) take one for the team (Already done that) or b) get thrown under the bus by those with the longest time to recover and be happy about it. So then how much time remaining does one have to have to matter, because those with a short time left apparently don't?

Your turn.