Negotiation sessions scheduled
 

I know it's a violation of forum rules to post good news but here it is. The NMB has scheduled 3 Negotiation sessions next week. That means they believe a deal is possible after Friday's discussions.

Good news indeed. The quicker it's voted down, the quicker we can submit an offer worthy of voting yes on. I hope they go with a 30 day window.

a deal has always been achievable.....we had one already.

a good deal...for us? thats another matter.

Wait. How can this be? I thought we were being parked, iced, slapped! Arbitration, followed by a PEB!!!!!!!!!

Wow. Good job

Thanks. The sooner the better

Haven't even seen the package and already voting no. Just... wow. Thank goodness the average line pilot is much smarter than that.

Did you read the AIPS? Even with our original counter proposal, and the deals struck since then, it's a close vote. I don't need to see the deal to know where it falls, which is halfway between crap, and our counter proposal. Give me a break with the just wow garbage, we can't all be as smart as you.

From someone that voted no on TA 15 and is generally a QOL voter, this sounds like good news. I am assuming we upped the anty as directed by the 12 and did not get parked for doing so. Actually sounds like very good news to me.

Which of the AIPS give you better QOL?

I don't understand where you are coming from. Are we supposed to hope for no negotiating? If we vote no again so be it. But lets keep the process moving forward.

You said you were a QOL guy, I asked you which of the AIPS improve that for you?

All I will say so far about the current AIPs is that on the whole they decrease my QOL by what I would call a small amount. But I will withhold judgement on my vote until I see the entire TA. Could be yes, could be no. Again, how is negotiations moving forward not a good thing?

We'll have an AIP in short order is my guess. Or we won't, then it will be a couple of years. Morale will sink very low despite the hiring and new Surface tablets. Delta will become 4th or 5th airline of choice to work for. Ed will get quite a bit more wealthy and we'll be *****ing for years.

The negotiating committee was given some latitude to meet the company part way. The NMB appears to feel it might lead to a agreement.

So just a few more concessions on our part.....great. Can't wait to vote NO again.

bohica....

Exactly.....as long as Uvena and Heiko are negotiating for us were hosed. Prepare to be underwelmed again. Count on it.

Fair enough. My opinion is we are already 18 percent or so below legacy pay, more than that due to fedex and ups. Even if the company took our counter proposal as is, we are barely there. AIPs only put us further behind. I believe negotiations are a good thing, the quicker we shoot down an industry lagging deal, the sooner we can come up with a proposal worthy of industry leading.

Just let them negotiate. Seems like quite a few people are afraid the company will cough up the money and we might get a deal. Now why would that be?

It's sad that this is the best you can do to find positive items for the pilot group moving forward... Hopefully you were being sarcastic....

I'm with hookshot, keep the conversation going. At least we will end up at a decision point sooner than later. Getting parked only delays reaching that inevitable point.

If the deal is that bad then it will be voted down. Why the hand wringing over the AIPs? As always I'll judge the whole TA when it comes out.

Are there some things that should be cleaned up? Absolutely. Isn't that what the 12 just directed though? A bunch of AIPs is not a TA. The opportunity to fix things exists until they agree to a TA so why not keep them at the table?

I'll admit that I was surprised the NMB scheduled more meetings for next week. There must have been some sign of movement from the company too for the NMB to continue to allocate resources our way.

I'm ok with the money. We are already about 18 percent below the legacies, forget the cargos. Why do we have to give up anything to get there? Buying pay raises for concessions is what I'm afraid of.

I'm with you.

But I also wonder if the nmb just lost some leverage over labor? If I'm to believe everything I heard from the pro TA15 crowd about the nmb then I'd have to assume they see us as unreasonable and completely with the company. Now, maybe theyre losing their perceived high ground?

Can you post some numbers other then the 330/767-400 to back up that 18% number? Do you count total DC money in that 18%? What is the weighted average we are behind UAL and AMR?

737/A320 at UA 15 percent. Any A/C at UPS at new TA rates, compared to our 7ER is 25 percent. Not counting DC. Also not counting A plan at UPS (in addition to the 12 percent B plan). Not counting vacation, training pay, medical costs, min calendar day pay, or any of the other rigs/rules that compound the higher pay rates.

^^^^^^^^What he said Sailing! Are you that daft?^^^^^^^^

that's not what people are afraid of

Do you really think DC should be counted? If so how do we add in the retirement at UPS/FDX/AMR etc?

Scoop

Guess I'll just vote YES to offset tinker1794!

(Maybe he should go work for UPS!)

Why not just wait and see what happens?

Ah yes, the classic why don't you go work there bit. Yeah, why would we want to raise Delta up to their level...nice. Let's buy industry standard pay rates with concessions. Great plan Pickll

If your counting on the surface 3 to lift morale your going to be disappointed. It is more useful/capable but has more pieces.

Oh yea, read Deltanet today, we have state of the art turbulence forecaster on that tablet. My morale is sky rocketing.

You willing to go to banded pay?

Based on our ship makeup, I've always been intrigued by it. Unfortunately, no one brought it up this time...

We actually don't know that it wasn't brought up. Problem is that the most vocal folks don't want it for some strange reason.

We do know. It was asked of the NC, and answered no interest.

The company asked for it?

You are advocating for the wrong CBA if your goal is longevity pay.

It did not get support by polling and wasn't directed for MEC to negotiate. If the company asked for it, I never read about it. Dalpa MEC site, contract faq's, section 3.