Malone Divides = We Subtract
09-02-2016, 09:32 AM
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Straight QOL, homie
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You know I love you man but you need to explain a little better how John Malone is going to be able to exercise such thorough mind control over the so called "strong 12". They are the majority. If they choose to do so, they can stop any bad TA that Malone comes up with.
You say he will massage the data and then subject the MEC to "hectoring".
Is it really that easy? Massage what data?
Those 12 guys aren't stupid -- and they have the votes. If they stick together they can do pretty much anything they want. Including replace the Master Chairman and/or the negotiators.
How will Malone convince a majority of reps to pass this bad TA you see coming?
You know I love you man but you need to explain a little better how John Malone is going to be able to exercise such thorough mind control over the so called "strong 12". They are the majority. If they choose to do so, they can stop any bad TA that Malone comes up with.
You say he will massage the data and then subject the MEC to "hectoring".
Is it really that easy? Massage what data?
Those 12 guys aren't stupid -- and they have the votes. If they stick together they can do pretty much anything they want. Including replace the Master Chairman and/or the negotiators.
How will Malone convince a majority of reps to pass this bad TA you see coming?
He only needs to convince three of the dozen to flip.
I don't know what his arm-twisting will consist of. He will certainly lead with the notion that the polling shows they are not representing their constituents.
He will bombard us by saying the "polling data" supports the TA. He will try to create a self-fulfilling prophecy by trying to convince the majority of the pilot group that they are actually in the minority, in hopes that we'll pressure our reps to endorse the TA. This is certainly much easier when he doesn't have to produce the numbers he cites. Reps can't fight back with real numbers, because that info was discussed in closed session.
This is Moak's polling guy. He answers to the administration, not the MEC. He will be able to manipulate the numbers to suit Malone's agenda. The polling questions were designed for just this purpose. If you have been polled, you'll know what I mean.
Malone will certainly have his proxies attack the majority across social media.
Look at the the C20 vc's update from last month. He explains some of the psyop techniques the administration has already employed on the MEC to soften them up.
09-02-2016, 09:33 AM
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Good questions.
He only needs to convince three of the dozen to flip.
I don't know what his arm-twisting will consist of. He will certainly lead with the notion that the polling shows they are not representing their constituents.
He will bombard us by saying the "polling data" supports the TA. He will try to create a self-fulfilling prophecy by trying to convince the majority of the pilot group that they are actually in the minority in hopes that they'll put pressure on their reps to endorse the TA. This is certainly much easier when he doesn't have to produce the numbers he cites. Reps can't fight back with real numbers because they were discussed in closed session.
He will certainly have his proxies attack the majority across social media.
Look at the the C20 vc's update from last month. He explains some of the psyop techniques the administration has already employed on the MEC to soften them up.
He only needs to convince three of the dozen to flip.
I don't know what his arm-twisting will consist of. He will certainly lead with the notion that the polling shows they are not representing their constituents.
He will bombard us by saying the "polling data" supports the TA. He will try to create a self-fulfilling prophecy by trying to convince the majority of the pilot group that they are actually in the minority in hopes that they'll put pressure on their reps to endorse the TA. This is certainly much easier when he doesn't have to produce the numbers he cites. Reps can't fight back with real numbers because they were discussed in closed session.
He will certainly have his proxies attack the majority across social media.
Look at the the C20 vc's update from last month. He explains some of the psyop techniques the administration has already employed on the MEC to soften them up.
09-02-2016, 09:37 AM
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Actually, it's more like religion.
Malone making pilots turn against themselves to make his prophecy come true. Wow.
I guess he really DOES have a light-saber!
I guess he really DOES have a light-saber!
09-02-2016, 10:04 AM
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Ah...let me see...I can wait for the perfect deal that may take years and years to arrive at, while I keep saying "nope" over and over...and I have decades to wait for that perfect deal, while my DC at 15% keeps piling up and up and up...while we have 2 year captains...but the guys that will be retiring fairly soon, and had their pension terminated...THEY, yes THEY are the selfish ones for wanting some coin sooner, rather than never.
Hypocritical just found a new entry in Wikipedia.
Hypocritical just found a new entry in Wikipedia.
09-02-2016, 10:32 AM
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well its not like other unions such as the teamsters would be in their first rodeo. I like you would like this entire anal probe process to be completed, however, it needs to be done correctly and to the benefit of the pilots. There are valid global economic reasons why it took other airlines as long as it did to complete their negotiations. Volatility in the oil and gas industry being one of many, as rationale why various management teams were reluctant to see higher wages and qol adjustments. While you cannot remove all volatility l, much of what has held Delta back has been calmed or at least subsided for quite some time. Yet we are the only one without a contract worth having.
09-02-2016, 10:32 AM
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I'm sorry but I'm not rushing into a ****ty deal for you. I have time. It hasn't even been a year yet, so keep your panties on. And for the record I can't be hypocritical if I never said I wasn't selfish. We all are. I'm not trading PS or QOL for you to get an extra pittance and bounce in 2-5 years. Sorry bra
Selfish. You. Very.
09-02-2016, 10:38 AM
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I'm sorry but I'm not rushing into a ****ty deal for you. I have time. It hasn't even been a year yet, so keep your panties on. And for the record I can't be hypocritical if I never said I wasn't selfish. We all are. I'm not trading PS or QOL for you to get an extra pittance and bounce in 2-5 years. Sorry bra
By the way how do you define "QOL?" If you will read most of my other posts I highlight how the "good ol' days" were hardly that. Our contract--while not perfect--actually has a lot better work rules now than it ever has. You would know that if you had been here in earlier years, which you clearly have not.
But hey, it's all about you right? "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" fits the bill nicely. Easy to wait, when you wil benefit for many years from a lot of forward thinking contractual language (15% DC and PS especially) crafted by the very senior guys you seem to relish spitting on. They lost their pension via a brutal BK process and everything leading up to it. What they crafted to replace it will actually benefit younger guys far more than it will them--and you show gratitude how? "They are trying to ******* me over!" Get real.
By the way, I voted against TA15. Why? Because it contained needless concessions that were not warranted in this hyper-profitable time. I have no problem with anyone voting against anything, so long as they read a TA and weigh the pros and cons--and there will always be cons. I just see a lot of "vote no and vote often" attitudes here, regardless of what any TA might eventually contain.
09-02-2016, 10:39 AM
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Good questions.
He only needs to convince three of the dozen to flip.
I don't know what his arm-twisting will consist of. He will certainly lead with the notion that the polling shows they are not representing their constituents.
He will bombard us by saying the "polling data" supports the TA. He will try to create a self-fulfilling prophecy by trying to convince the majority of the pilot group that they are actually in the minority, in hopes that we'll pressure our reps to endorse the TA. This is certainly much easier when he doesn't have to produce the numbers he cites. Reps can't fight back with real numbers, because that info was discussed in closed session.
This is Moak's polling guy. He answers to the administration, not the MEC. He will be able to manipulate the numbers to suit Malone's agenda. The polling questions were designed for just this purpose. If you have been polled, you'll know what I mean.
Malone will certainly have his proxies attack the majority across social media.
Look at the the C20 vc's update from last month. He explains some of the psyop techniques the administration has already employed on the MEC to soften them up.
He only needs to convince three of the dozen to flip.
I don't know what his arm-twisting will consist of. He will certainly lead with the notion that the polling shows they are not representing their constituents.
He will bombard us by saying the "polling data" supports the TA. He will try to create a self-fulfilling prophecy by trying to convince the majority of the pilot group that they are actually in the minority, in hopes that we'll pressure our reps to endorse the TA. This is certainly much easier when he doesn't have to produce the numbers he cites. Reps can't fight back with real numbers, because that info was discussed in closed session.
This is Moak's polling guy. He answers to the administration, not the MEC. He will be able to manipulate the numbers to suit Malone's agenda. The polling questions were designed for just this purpose. If you have been polled, you'll know what I mean.
Malone will certainly have his proxies attack the majority across social media.
Look at the the C20 vc's update from last month. He explains some of the psyop techniques the administration has already employed on the MEC to soften them up.
09-02-2016, 10:58 AM
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well its not like other unions such as the teamsters would be in their first rodeo. I like you would like this entire anal probe process to be completed, however, it needs to be done correctly and to the benefit of the pilots. There are valid global economic reasons why it took other airlines as long as it did to complete their negotiations. Volatility in the oil and gas industry being one of many, as rationale why various management teams were reluctant to see higher wages and qol adjustments. While you cannot remove all volatility l, much of what has held Delta back has been calmed or at least subsided for quite some time. Yet we are the only one without a contract worth having.
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