Why not poll all pilots?
09-05-2016, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Agree. But phone polling isn't more efficient than online polling (nor as convenient). Plus, I think there's an intangible benefit of everyone feeling like they've had an opportunity to be heard. I think you'd get more buy-in with the final result.
09-05-2016, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
Agree to a point. Online is voluntary and skews results. Phone is less so as its random - although people can decide not to answer. Also as people change their mind phone polling more readily keeps up with that. Look at the weekly and monthly presidential polling and see how it changes. Even with a survey online there would have to be constant phone polling to keep up.
09-05-2016, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
Agree to a point. Online is voluntary and skews results. Phone is less so as its random - although people can decide not to answer. Also as people change their mind phone polling more readily keeps up with that. Look at the weekly and monthly presidential polling and see how it changes. Even with a survey online there would have to be constant phone polling to keep up.
09-05-2016, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
During the voting window for ratification, you could continually change your vote until the deadline. No reason online answers couldn't be fluid and allow pilots to modify answers as their opinions shift radically after reading APC
09-05-2016, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
Or they could have a fluid TA vote. Certain sections would dynamically change until they reached the desired percentage of yes votes. Say 70%? 😊
09-05-2016, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
Would be more efficient than phoning 100%, but giving 100% an online opportunity for a fraction of the cost is a No Brainer. If sampling is a better option, why don't we just do that instead of MEMRAT?
Unless that selection bias is corrected, unfortunately the closest to statistically valid polling you'll get is via random selection. Even with the phone polling, there is some selection bias which has to be accounted for (since you have to answer the phone and many more in my generation don't bother to answer numbers they don't recognize).
Statistics are messy math...
09-05-2016, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
The problem is the selective participation rates on a survey...even online. Usually 97% or so will vote on a contract, but giving the time to put in a detailed enough survey is something only around half will do (for varying reasons).
Unless that selection bias is corrected, unfortunately the closest to statistically valid polling you'll get is via random selection. Even with the phone polling, there is some selection bias which has to be accounted for (since you have to answer the phone and many more in my generation don't bother to answer numbers they don't recognize).
Statistics are messy math...
Unless that selection bias is corrected, unfortunately the closest to statistically valid polling you'll get is via random selection. Even with the phone polling, there is some selection bias which has to be accounted for (since you have to answer the phone and many more in my generation don't bother to answer numbers they don't recognize).
Statistics are messy math...
****ing away hundreds of thousands on Comstock is a huge waste. He will bend to the will of the person cutting the check.
Let's stop MEMRAT and poll a few pilots. Its more accurate.
Spare me your nonsense.
09-05-2016, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Online polling of all Delta pilots promotes unity and buy in.
****ing away hundreds of thousands on Comstock is a huge waste. He will bend to the will of the person cutting the check.
Let's stop MEMRAT and poll a few pilots. Its more accurate.
Spare me your nonsense.
****ing away hundreds of thousands on Comstock is a huge waste. He will bend to the will of the person cutting the check.
Let's stop MEMRAT and poll a few pilots. Its more accurate.
Spare me your nonsense.
Gerry.... you're normally off in some variance of la-la land. But come on, man... what??
09-06-2016, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Gerry.... you're normally off in some variance of la-la land. But come on, man... what??
For $300 a year we can poll all the Delta pilots online.
It builds unity and provides excellent data.
It allows us time to consider and change our answers.
Let's stop lighting money on fire.
My point is if you guys think random polling is better than polling everyone, use you premise on MEMRAT.
Stating random polling a few is better than online polling everyone is ALPA nonsense.
No point in discussing, ALPA will never change.
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