Why not poll all pilots?
09-06-2016, 04:56 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by gzsg
The reason ALPA is such a huge failure is they are stuck in the past.
For $300 a year we can poll all the Delta pilots online.
It builds unity and provides excellent data.
It allows us time to consider and change our answers.
Let's stop lighting money on fire.
My point is if you guys think random polling is better than polling everyone, use you premise on MEMRAT.
Stating random polling a few is better than online polling everyone is ALPA nonsense.
No point in discussing, ALPA will never change.
For $300 a year we can poll all the Delta pilots online.
It builds unity and provides excellent data.
It allows us time to consider and change our answers.
Let's stop lighting money on fire.
My point is if you guys think random polling is better than polling everyone, use you premise on MEMRAT.
Stating random polling a few is better than online polling everyone is ALPA nonsense.
No point in discussing, ALPA will never change.
09-06-2016, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You can't poll all the pilots online. We do that with the survey and ⅓ don't fill it out. You also can't update your negotiating position with every poll and ever hope to get a agreement. The current method combines online polling, phone polling , email and personal contact. It's a good method, the issue comes with the weight assigned to each.
09-06-2016, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Tanker1497
You also can't get an agreement with an inferior TA. Based on my cockpit and lounge polling, that is what people see right now. If PS is touched, in any way, the TA won't make it out of the MEC. If PS isn't touched, the rates better come in a bit above the companies last counter. 16.5/3/3/3 won't cut it. If they throw in some little morale slapping nuggets, like vacation pay only, no credit, or training pay 30 minutes/hr less than the FA's...that won't help. We will know soon, imho. I believe a TA is reached by the end of next week. Whether or not it leaves the MEC will be telling.
09-06-2016, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The thing I find interesting is most pilots I hear talking want at least UAL in pay. When told that the companies current table position is 2 1/2% above UAL they get a funny look and say really?
09-06-2016, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
The folks I talk to don't want UAL hourly, they want UAL career pay. With more wide bodies and stuff.
09-06-2016, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
When you look at the overall fleets, small, mid and large the overall average size is very close if not weighted in our favor. Contracts don't control fleets. Management buys aircraft. We fly them.
09-06-2016, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
The last thing Malone, Martin and DeRosa want is polling of the entire pilot group.
Cost $300. Unity priceless.
Telephone polling of a few?
Cost hundreds of thousands.
Results easily manipulated by the people who pay the company doing the polling.
Cost $300. Unity priceless.
Telephone polling of a few?
Cost hundreds of thousands.
Results easily manipulated by the people who pay the company doing the polling.
09-06-2016, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
Would be more efficient than phoning 100%, but giving 100% an online opportunity for a fraction of the cost is a No Brainer. If sampling is a better option, why don't we just do that instead of MEMRAT?
09-06-2016, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
When you look at the overall fleets, small, mid and large the overall average size is very close if not weighted in our favor. Contracts don't control fleets. Management buys aircraft. We fly them.
09-06-2016, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Now if only our A330/764 were banded with the 777/747 like they have. However, no way would I want their airport standby reserve, their OE trip pulls, or their VEBA...
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