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sailingfun 09-10-2016 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 2199728)
Agreed. After 60 days, I think the parking brake on the 321 should remain set until there's a pay rate.

So that forces the arbitrator to make a immediate decision. I am sure he will be very favorable to us!

notEnuf 09-10-2016 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2199799)
So that forces the arbitrator to make a immediate decision. I am sure he will be very favorable to us!

Immediate? 60 days. Was the arbitrator not informed of our framework?

Elliot 09-10-2016 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2199799)
So that forces the arbitrator to make a immediate decision. I am sure he will be very favorable to us!

What? Who ever said anything about forcing the arbitrator's hand? Don't put words in my mouth, or my forum comment for what that's worth, to support your opinion.

It's pretty simple.

"No pay rate" (after the 60 day decision deadline) "No fly aircraft" (No drama, no emotion, no politics.) Metal doesn't move until there's a pay rate to fly it.

JamesBond 09-10-2016 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2199799)
So that forces the arbitrator to make a immediate decision. I am sure he will be very favorable to us!

He's had 60 days. How does that equate to immediate? How much more does he need? As much time as he wants? Good thing it was in the contract.

sailingfun 09-10-2016 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 2199817)
What? Who ever said anything about forcing the arbitrator's hand? Don't put words in my mouth, or my forum comment for what that's worth, to support your opinion.

It's pretty simple.

"No pay rate" (after the 60 day decision deadline) "No fly aircraft" (No drama, no emotion, no politics.) Metal doesn't move until there's a pay rate to fly it.

First off I don't think you can park the aircraft. You would have to file a grievance. If however we could park the aircraft the company will of course go to the arbitrator and inform him what has happened and ask for a immediate decision. I suspect he would give us the A320 rate at that point. No one is out anything. When he makes his award there will be full retro. Let's try and act like we have two touching brain cells!

JamesBond 09-10-2016 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2199841)
First off I don't think you can park the aircraft. You would have to file a grievance. If however we could park the aircraft the company will of course go to the arbitrator and inform him what has happened and ask for a immediate decision. I suspect he would give us the A320 rate at that point. No one is out anything. When he makes his award there will be full retro. Let's try and act like we have two touching brain cells!

I'm still not sure where the term 'immediate' is coming from. Has he had 60 days or not? It doesn't take me 60 days to make many decisions, and this one really isn't that hard unless you are a brain dead bureaucrat or presidential candidate

notEnuf 09-10-2016 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2199841)
First off I don't think you can park the aircraft. You would have to file a grievance. If however we could park the aircraft the company will of course go to the arbitrator and inform him what has happened and ask for a immediate decision. I suspect he would give us the A320 rate at that point. No one is out anything. When he makes his award there will be full retro. Let's try and act like we have two touching brain cells!

Are you defending the delay? I think both parties want this settled, what's the problem with requesting the decision? I assumed the negotiations were the priority and focus but that doesn't involve the arbitrator. Am I out of line requesting the decision, distant brain cells and all? That data point will surely affect our situation going forward. Next will be the A350, then the CS100 are we supposed to expect the same? How about the A330-900neo?

sailingfun 09-10-2016 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2199917)
Are you defending the delay? I think both parties want this settled, what's the problem with requesting the decision? I assumed the negotiations were the priority and focus but that doesn't involve the arbitrator. Am I out of line requesting the decision, distant brain cells and all? That data point will surely affect our situation going forward. Next will be the A350, then the CS100 are we supposed to expect the same? How about the A330-900neo?

The arbitration is not bound by our contract.

notEnuf 09-10-2016 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2199925)
The arbitration is not bound by our contract.

Yes it is.

3.E.3. If such negotiations do not result in agreement executed within 90 days from the date of the parties first meeting, either party may submit the dispute to expedited final and binding interest arbitration before a Five Member System Board of Adjustment under Section 19. The award of the Five Member System Board of Adjustment must be rendered within 60 days following submission of the dispute unless the parties agree otherwise.

sailingfun 09-10-2016 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2199952)
Yes it is.

3.E.3. If such negotiations do not result in agreement executed within 90 days from the date of the parties first meeting, either party may submit the dispute to expedited final and binding interest arbitration before a Five Member System Board of Adjustment under Section 19. The award of the Five Member System Board of Adjustment must be rendered within 60 days following submission of the dispute unless the parties agree otherwise.

You can't ever bind a third party not involved in a negotiation. I meant to say arbitrator. The arbitrator is not bound by our contract. The company showed up as did Dalpa and met all timelines. We await the arbitrators decision and he is not under any obligation from our contract. DALPA pointed this out in a recent communication.


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