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Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2198415)

$20 an hour more for an RJ than what was obtained at a major carrier.

You lurkers should really let this sink in a minute. This was not in 1970. This was five..... years.... ago....... Realize what guys like Jerry and Purple Drank are doing here. Jerry is all about the failure of dALPA. All about the failure of YOUR union. PD is right there with him. Sign that DPA card, and weaken our stance, our unity and our ability to get a better deal. The company sees this. When they see that you sign a card for alternate bargaining agents, they dig in harder because they see fraction. "We must all hang together or surely we will all hang separately" That phrase was true then and it is true now.

DPA is poison.

Couldn't you make the same claim that the 7 MEC members currently in the minority are doing the same thing by their public tantrums over recent MEC issues?

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Originally Posted by longcall (Post 2198499)

Couldn't you make the same claim that the 7 MEC members currently in the minority are doing the same thing by their public tantrums over recent MEC issues?

I guess you could, but it is not really the same thing. It is a representative democracy. Their argument at that level is of the gestalt. Our role is to back them up. When our house is divided, it does not go unnoticed by the enemy. Now that being said, at some point, the leadership MUST come together and agree on the product. If they don't, then we will keep rehashing this **** until the end of time. There will always be disagreement to some extent, but it needs to stay private. jmho.

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Originally Posted by KnotSoFast (Post 2197977)

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I completely agree. So the Company wants 50 more 76-seaters. Do you know why?? Because we have a bunch of cities that NETWORK thinks can mostly fill 5X 76-seaters per day rather than 2.5X Maddogs or 320s or 737s. The business traveller, who we count on to pay a premium, seems to value frequency and time-of-day choice. And there are some cities, like Flint, or Idaho Falls, that will NEVER fill 5X 737s. So if network wants 50 more, it doesn't bother me a whole lot. They feed our NETWORK, make us money and get me a fatter Valentine's Day happy check! :)

50 X 76-seaters is the same capacity as 25X maddogs. Or 320s. 0r 737s. (approx) Those 25 jets of capacity need 350 mainline pilots. (approx) We are hiring nearly that many pilots every 70 days. The "net" impact of an additional 50 76-seaters does not make me want to jump up and down and hold my breath if it's in the next TA. Now granted, I'm pretty high up in the food chain, but before Thanksgiving, we will have hired an additional 350 pilots since the beginning of this month, so I honestly don't get the pantie wadding that is occurring on this forum. (And NO, I'm not an ALPA apologist or a 4th floor cube-dweller either.)

On another note, has anybody heard of any progress (or lack thereof) in the NMB assisted meetings this week?
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Sure would be nice if some pro-DALPA types replied in protest of this kind of mindset. This type of thinking is why we have 500 RJs flying around in Delta colors today. Glad you included that comment about being high up on the food chain because your posts make much more sense now.

Seems like you have some insight into what NETWORK wants to do with the additional RJs. Flint and Idaho Falls eh? How about Cuba, New Orleans, Austin, San Antonio and any other cities that don't sound half as bad as Flint/ Idaho Falls and have more demand? Those RJs wouldn't ever be used on those routes right?

Two comments, James:

1). It was supposed to be secret behind closed session, but there was an "oops".
2). It hasn't stopped the proxies from running the "rogue NC/Super-cool 12/John Maline must die" script.

So the 7 revealing the shenanigans over the process is one side of a dysfunctional MEC coin, but do you really think that escaping Caucusgate would have stopped the production of the Dirty Dozen story, after so much effort was invested in it?

It's ALL crap. And it's hurting our group.

The only good thing to come out of it is a little visibility into the outlook on polling and numbers. We know a very active but small number of NeverYes is having an outsized influence. I think the group will demand to vote, and I don't think they'll accept fables instead of a deal.

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2198444)

Now we are getting somewhere!

Because their Scope ALLOWs them to. Our scope does not. While our scope allows them to add more 76 seaters our Block Hour protections forces them to remove 50 seaters and and add more mainline block hours before EACH additional 76 seater is allowed in service. This language does not exist at AA and you see the results.

#ScopeChoke

Looks to me like the company has been retiring 50 seaters at a much faster rate than set forth in the PWA. Which tells me our scope is not FORCING the company to do anything - rather, the 50 seaters are being retired at a rapid rate because it fits the company's business plan.

WRT your block hour protection argument, the company has been well above the compliance line for quite some time. If the PWA were "forcing" any action on their part, they would be much closer to the limit than they are. Again, I believe what we're seeing is market forces compelling the company's actions, not the PWA.

Bottom line, I'm not willing to accept 50 more large RJs at DCI. We have EMB190/CRJ900 rates in our current PWA - if the company needs more large RJs, they can have Delta pilots fly them.

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Originally Posted by trustbutverify (Post 2198600)

Spot on....If they need the lift, they can go to the desert and grab 50 seaters. I thought Richard said they were going to do that anyways.

Why does it have to be 76 seats anyway, won't 70(69) seats meet the network requirements? Won't that bring you a fat Valintines check Knotsofast? Your mind set is exactly why we have so many connection jets, you just don't care about anyone but yourself.

Attachment 2935

Remember how management wants to remove EASK's and convert to a block hour. I present to you, the MOM for a new single aisle aircraft from Boeing and Airbus A-321NEO.

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Originally Posted by Vikz09 (Post 2198902)

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Remember how management wants to remove EASK's and convert to a block hour. I present to you, the MOM for a new single aisle aircraft from Boeing and Airbus A-321NEO.

Any flight attendants stuck working that flight will either be punching each other or our first-class passengers by initial descent. Not a good business model.

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Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2198959)

Any flight attendants stuck working that flight will either be punching each other or our first-class passengers by initial descent. Not a good business model.

Not that our leaders have ever made a bad business decision. The problem is accountants buy airplanes and pilots have to fly them.

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Originally Posted by trustbutverify (Post 2198600)

Very nicely said.

Management knows they are getting rid of them. Then they come to us and say "we'll get rid of these, if you let us get more 76 seaters." Of course, we say yes. Then we take credit for them buying 717s, 737s, A321s... What a joke.