C2012 scope provisions turned out positively for us because of a confluence of events. The Cogan 1500 hr rule and the availability of 717s for almost free. One of those factors is being lobbied hard in Congress to be removed. How long do you think that 1500 hr rule will remain? Never underestimate the power of big money influencing government.

So when the Regionals start hiring 900, 750, even 250 hr guys again, those 76 seaters become more viable. Why would we allow more? Furthermore, why is it not the stated goal of our UNION that every Delta passenger be flown by Delta pilots? Isn't that the purpose of a UNION?

Since hiring started in 2014, DAL has hired ~2,800 pilots and are projected to hire another 400 by years end (~1,250 total for 2016). By the end of the year, 2014-2016 hires will make up 24% of the list. I just got done reading this and am interested in UALs numbers.

In their last negotiation the American pilots did not allow the negotiating commuter to discuss scope. Same at United.

80 what are your cost estimates for the upcoming scope concessions I listed?

Great points satchip. I can take a stab at you question. Our UNION isn't saying that, because they also work for the airlines that benefit from those 76 seaters. No conflict of interest there...

Please explain to us mathematically how his numbers are way off. Southwest doesn't allow any 50-76 seat flying to be outsourced and has trip touching. Those alone would push the numbers to 5000-6000 more pilots. Remember, the 4000+ pilots at Delta Connection are operating under more efficient staffing requirements at Delta.

How exactly are is numbers wrong? Over 4000 pilots are outsourced on 50-76 seat jets. Southwest doesn't allow this. Explain how he is wrong, please. Making up names for DPA only furthers the idea you are wrong.

You and Gerry's fuzzy math aside, let's do some real math since this is what you two are cheering for: The DPA has a bit over 3100 ACTIVE cards. By their count, they need 6700 ACTIVE (not members like their strangely similar to RH and CC's biased graphs like to emphasize) cards to get a vote. The real number is rapidly approaching and will exceed 7000 ACTIVE cards needed as hiring continues. 6 years in and the active card count dwindles further away from a vote...

Your "upcoming" scope concessions are just throwing crap against the wall and hoping something sticks. It's not even worth addressing since you don't deal in reality.

When you and jerry push your dpa agenda at this point in negotiations it just shows you are really selfish ....s. You have a beef with alpa for whatever reason and are willing to throw the rest of us who want a better contract under the bus to achieve it. We don't care about your agenda so move on to something more constructive.

I completely agree the SCOPE concessions are as of yet unsubstantiated, however I do think DALPA is implementing their time honored tradition of incrementally relaxing scope for the purpose of "extracting value." We will all see soon enough but I'm practicing how fast I can type "I told you so" every day.

Hoping I'm wrong. :(

BTW I sleep so much better at night now that I am once again "furlough protected." :rolleyes:

I didn't ask for the merits of DPA. I asked you to show us how he is mathematically wrong.

It's very telling that you continually ignore to answer that and then just bash DPA. I didn't even care to bring up DPA until you repeatedly turn it into a DPA bashfest instead of answering a legitimate claim.