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08-23-2010, 09:02 AM
#131
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Our actual mainline fleet count will stay relatively static over the next couple of years, as there are still about 12 DC-9 30/40 series and I've heard 3 757's (lease expirations we weren't able to keep) to be removed from Delta's active fleet through January. Those will be offset by the remaining MD-90's and desert returns to active status. I haven't heard of any 88's planned for permanent fleet removal. Delta will have a whole bunch of aircraft mod lines running for the next few years (winglets, AVOD, and lie flat seats) that will pull active aircraft off line for significant periods of time.
50 seat RJ's and Saab 340's continue to be parked as their leases expire.
If the economy continues to improve and revenue stays strong, pilot block hours should go up substantially during high seasons. As Steve Gorman said some months back, Delta would like to increase the fleet size of the MD-90. Purchase to "in service" for those aircraft takes some time, as they're almost all being flown in active service by their current owners.
50 seat RJ's and Saab 340's continue to be parked as their leases expire.
If the economy continues to improve and revenue stays strong, pilot block hours should go up substantially during high seasons. As Steve Gorman said some months back, Delta would like to increase the fleet size of the MD-90. Purchase to "in service" for those aircraft takes some time, as they're almost all being flown in active service by their current owners.
As for the 757's, this is true and some of the older NWA 757's will just simply time out and need to be retired in a few years (2015 or so)
Yes, block hrs will keep increasing. I am quite curious to see the yoy increase for summer 2011. I know it should be out shortly.
08-23-2010, 09:56 AM
#132
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Frankly, both are relatively senior. I think you need to be sitting at about 11200 on the seniority list to hold a line on either.
Want a line, bid NYC m88 and MSP m88. Everything else gets senior real quick.
Want a line, bid NYC m88 and MSP m88. Everything else gets senior real quick.
(By "normal" line holder, I mean someone who held a line without MIL leave, Vacation, etc.)
Having said all that - there were 72 normal lines and 40! reserve lines built for MSP 88B in September. That means you had to be in the top 64% to hold a regular line
- I don't see that kind of ratio lasting long term (I hope!). I know the numbers for the category look really good going forward but it has been a frustrating few months as the base has been built up. Can you tell I'm ready to be done with reserve? 
08-23-2010, 10:27 AM
#133
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Originally Posted by Dash8widget
The junior normal line holder for MSP 88B in September went in the 11590 range, not all that junior really. I'm an early '08 hire and would be a solid middle of the pack line holder in NYC and I wasn't even close to holding a line in MSP.
(By "normal" line holder, I mean someone who held a line without MIL leave, Vacation, etc.)
Having said all that - there were 72 normal lines and 40! reserve lines built for MSP 88B in September. That means you had to be in the top 64% to hold a regular line - I don't see that kind of ratio lasting long term (I hope!). I know the numbers for the category look really good going forward but it has been a frustrating few months as the base has been built up. Can you tell I'm ready to be done with reserve?
(By "normal" line holder, I mean someone who held a line without MIL leave, Vacation, etc.)
Having said all that - there were 72 normal lines and 40! reserve lines built for MSP 88B in September. That means you had to be in the top 64% to hold a regular line
- I don't see that kind of ratio lasting long term (I hope!). I know the numbers for the category look really good going forward but it has been a frustrating few months as the base has been built up. Can you tell I'm ready to be done with reserve? For new hires trust me. MSP88 and NYC88 will be safe picks if those bases work for you.
You'll probably have to hang in there for another month or two Dash...the good news is there are guys in class now slotted to be placed below you and with the looks of the Oct 6th drop ( and all the vacancies still left open on the aircraft) that trend will continue.
08-23-2010, 10:50 AM
#134
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Originally Posted by FlyinPiker
The same thing happened to 765 and 777 guys while their new bases were ramping up which is why some people choose to wait a bid before pulling the trigger on new categories.
For new hires trust me. MSP88 and NYC88 will be safe picks if those bases work for you.
You'll probably have to hang in there for another month or two Dash...the good news is there are guys in class now slotted to be placed below you and with the looks of the Oct 6th drop ( and all the vacancies still left open on the aircraft) that trend will continue.
For new hires trust me. MSP88 and NYC88 will be safe picks if those bases work for you.
You'll probably have to hang in there for another month or two Dash...the good news is there are guys in class now slotted to be placed below you and with the looks of the Oct 6th drop ( and all the vacancies still left open on the aircraft) that trend will continue.
08-23-2010, 10:53 AM
#135
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Originally Posted by Dash8widget
The junior normal line holder for MSP 88B in September went in the 11590 range, not all that junior really. I'm an early '08 hire and would be a solid middle of the pack line holder in NYC and I wasn't even close to holding a line in MSP.
(By "normal" line holder, I mean someone who held a line without MIL leave, Vacation, etc.)
Having said all that - there were 72 normal lines and 40! reserve lines built for MSP 88B in September. That means you had to be in the top 64% to hold a regular line - I don't see that kind of ratio lasting long term (I hope!). I know the numbers for the category look really good going forward but it has been a frustrating few months as the base has been built up. Can you tell I'm ready to be done with reserve?
(By "normal" line holder, I mean someone who held a line without MIL leave, Vacation, etc.)
Having said all that - there were 72 normal lines and 40! reserve lines built for MSP 88B in September. That means you had to be in the top 64% to hold a regular line
- I don't see that kind of ratio lasting long term (I hope!). I know the numbers for the category look really good going forward but it has been a frustrating few months as the base has been built up. Can you tell I'm ready to be done with reserve? I'll be joining you in MSP in Dec. I sure hope that they get the base up and running, but I think it might be reserve for us for a while.
I know I might have to do crashpad if I'm on reserve. Any clue how many furlough bypass guys elected MSPM88?
08-23-2010, 12:25 PM
#136
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Originally Posted by Dash8widget
The junior normal line holder for MSP 88B in September went in the 11590 range, not all that junior really. I'm an early '08 hire and would be a solid middle of the pack line holder in NYC and I wasn't even close to holding a line in MSP.
(By "normal" line holder, I mean someone who held a line without MIL leave, Vacation, etc.)
Having said all that - there were 72 normal lines and 40! reserve lines built for MSP 88B in September. That means you had to be in the top 64% to hold a regular line - I don't see that kind of ratio lasting long term (I hope!). I know the numbers for the category look really good going forward but it has been a frustrating few months as the base has been built up. Can you tell I'm ready to be done with reserve?
(By "normal" line holder, I mean someone who held a line without MIL leave, Vacation, etc.)
Having said all that - there were 72 normal lines and 40! reserve lines built for MSP 88B in September. That means you had to be in the top 64% to hold a regular line
- I don't see that kind of ratio lasting long term (I hope!). I know the numbers for the category look really good going forward but it has been a frustrating few months as the base has been built up. Can you tell I'm ready to be done with reserve?
08-23-2010, 01:33 PM
#137
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Originally Posted by Dash8widget
The junior normal line holder for MSP 88B in September went in the 11590 range, not all that junior really. I'm an early '08 hire and would be a solid middle of the pack line holder in NYC and I wasn't even close to holding a line in MSP.
(By "normal" line holder, I mean someone who held a line without MIL leave, Vacation, etc.)
Having said all that - there were 72 normal lines and 40! reserve lines built for MSP 88B in September. That means you had to be in the top 64% to hold a regular line - I don't see that kind of ratio lasting long term (I hope!). I know the numbers for the category look really good going forward but it has been a frustrating few months as the base has been built up. Can you tell I'm ready to be done with reserve?
(By "normal" line holder, I mean someone who held a line without MIL leave, Vacation, etc.)
Having said all that - there were 72 normal lines and 40! reserve lines built for MSP 88B in September. That means you had to be in the top 64% to hold a regular line
- I don't see that kind of ratio lasting long term (I hope!). I know the numbers for the category look really good going forward but it has been a frustrating few months as the base has been built up. Can you tell I'm ready to be done with reserve? We were talking about the seniority to hold the 320 and to hold a line on the 320. I agree. M88 is the place to be for QOL if cannot live in base.
08-23-2010, 05:43 PM
#138
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
As for the 757's, this is true and some of the older NWA 757's will just simply time out and need to be retired in a few years (2015 or so)
I checked and 602 through 623 were all built before 1987. In fact NW's oldest 757, 5501, is three months newer than DL's 602.
Not sure what the plan is going forward but there are more DL 757's that, on paper, look more likely to time out before the 5500-series.
08-23-2010, 09:29 PM
#139
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Originally Posted by Express pilot
Why are your ready to done with resv. I can hold a line but bid resv here. I commute too. I never work. Are you getting used.
08-23-2010, 09:39 PM
#140
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
Dash,
I'll be joining you in MSP in Dec. I sure hope that they get the base up and running, but I think it might be reserve for us for a while. I know I might have to do crashpad if I'm on reserve. Any clue how many furlough bypass guys elected MSPM88?
I'll be joining you in MSP in Dec. I sure hope that they get the base up and running, but I think it might be reserve for us for a while.
I know I might have to do crashpad if I'm on reserve. Any clue how many furlough bypass guys elected MSPM88?
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