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08-23-2010, 09:50 PM
#141
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: west coast wannabe
Posts: 815
Dash,
I think there are lots of SLC refugees are in the same boat as you. I am thinking of bidding back to SLC on 737 or 320 reserve because as you've mentioned, the amount of reserve in MSPM88 is just plain unfathomable!
I think most of us that got MDed out of SLCM88 are getting very frustrated because we didn't have a choice to time our arrival in this new base, and the trips just aren't as commutable as SLC used to have. I hope there's a way to tell when they'll actually increase the number of lines, but as fall/winter schedules befall us, it could only mean at least 6 more months of reserve for us all...
I think there are lots of SLC refugees are in the same boat as you. I am thinking of bidding back to SLC on 737 or 320 reserve because as you've mentioned, the amount of reserve in MSPM88 is just plain unfathomable!
I think most of us that got MDed out of SLCM88 are getting very frustrated because we didn't have a choice to time our arrival in this new base, and the trips just aren't as commutable as SLC used to have. I hope there's a way to tell when they'll actually increase the number of lines, but as fall/winter schedules befall us, it could only mean at least 6 more months of reserve for us all...
08-24-2010, 02:28 AM
#142
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 309
Originally Posted by rvr350
Dash,
I think there are lots of SLC refugees are in the same boat as you. I am thinking of bidding back to SLC on 737 or 320 reserve because as you've mentioned, the amount of reserve in MSPM88 is just plain unfathomable!
I think most of us that got MDed out of SLCM88 are getting very frustrated because we didn't have a choice to time our arrival in this new base, and the trips just aren't as commutable as SLC used to have. I hope there's a way to tell when they'll actually increase the number of lines, but as fall/winter schedules befall us, it could only mean at least 6 more months of reserve for us all...
I think there are lots of SLC refugees are in the same boat as you. I am thinking of bidding back to SLC on 737 or 320 reserve because as you've mentioned, the amount of reserve in MSPM88 is just plain unfathomable!
I think most of us that got MDed out of SLCM88 are getting very frustrated because we didn't have a choice to time our arrival in this new base, and the trips just aren't as commutable as SLC used to have. I hope there's a way to tell when they'll actually increase the number of lines, but as fall/winter schedules befall us, it could only mean at least 6 more months of reserve for us all...
I'm thinking you'll see some relief in at least 3 months. I don't know where you sit on the list, but even if you were at the very bottom and couldn't count on more conversions coming in beneath you I think there were 18 vacancies for MSP 88 in the Aug 16th class and there's 15 for the the Sept 6th class. In both classes it's been one of the largest numbered positions available which tells me they want guys in those seats. A steady flow of padding for you all should start hitting the line by NOV for bidding purposes. It is possible for for some of the Compass/Mesaba hold backs to be bidding some of those positions, so that might hurt things a bit, but I think they'll keep posting big numbers either way.
As far as bidding out to SLC is concerned I'd seriously think twice about that. Remember 767 to 7ER is in the works out there and has the potential to shake things up quite a bit. Before I went and seat locked myself on a more senior aircraft I'd want to see the results of the upcoming bid. I would imagine both DAL North and South guys not currently holding those seats will be interested which will trickle down to make everything that more senior/ stagnate out there depending on whether they open up SEA a bit more.
Reserve in MSP definitely sounds like it's a totally pain for some of you in the short term, but big picture is getting seat locked in the 320 or 737. Those seats are senior in any of the bases it sounds like you'd be interested in taking (LAX,SLC...or even back to MSP). You might end up locking yourself into guaranteed reserve for 2 years.
I'd think about waiting at least 1 AE regardless of what is published on the next one unless reserve out west is more attractive overall.
08-24-2010, 03:44 AM
#143
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Originally Posted by n9810f
It's interesting that every time 757's and age is brought up it's always the NW 757-5500 series...
I checked and 602 through 623 were all built before 1987. In fact NW's oldest 757, 5501, is three months newer than DL's 602.
Not sure what the plan is going forward but there are more DL 757's that, on paper, look more likely to time out before the 5500-series.
I checked and 602 through 623 were all built before 1987. In fact NW's oldest 757, 5501, is three months newer than DL's 602.
Not sure what the plan is going forward but there are more DL 757's that, on paper, look more likely to time out before the 5500-series.
It is not necessarily just an age thing. There are a few cost prohibitive items that will hit a few jets in five to seven years or so. I was talking to one of the Tech Ops tech wizards. This is what he/she was stating. Not my words, theirs.
08-24-2010, 03:47 AM
#144
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Originally Posted by FlyinPiker
Yeah that does blow in that ya'll really didn't have a choice.
I'm thinking you'll see some relief in at least 3 months. I don't know where you sit on the list, but even if you were at the very bottom and couldn't count on more conversions coming in beneath you I think there were 18 vacancies for MSP 88 in the Aug 16th class and there's 15 for the the Sept 6th class. In both classes it's been one of the largest numbered positions available which tells me they want guys in those seats. A steady flow of padding for you all should start hitting the line by NOV for bidding purposes. It is possible for for some of the Compass/Mesaba hold backs to be bidding some of those positions, so that might hurt things a bit, but I think they'll keep posting big numbers either way.
As far as bidding out to SLC is concerned I'd seriously think twice about that. Remember 767 to 7ER is in the works out there and has the potential to shake things up quite a bit. Before I went and seat locked myself on a more senior aircraft I'd want to see the results of the upcoming bid. I would imagine both DAL North and South guys not currently holding those seats will be interested which will trickle down to make everything that more senior/ stagnate out there depending on whether they open up SEA a bit more.
Reserve in MSP definitely sounds like it's a totally pain for some of you in the short term, but big picture is getting seat locked in the 320 or 737. Those seats are senior in any of the bases it sounds like you'd be interested in taking (LAX,SLC...or even back to MSP). You might end up locking yourself into guaranteed reserve for 2 years.
I'd think about waiting at least 1 AE regardless of what is published on the next one unless reserve out west is more attractive overall.
I'm thinking you'll see some relief in at least 3 months. I don't know where you sit on the list, but even if you were at the very bottom and couldn't count on more conversions coming in beneath you I think there were 18 vacancies for MSP 88 in the Aug 16th class and there's 15 for the the Sept 6th class. In both classes it's been one of the largest numbered positions available which tells me they want guys in those seats. A steady flow of padding for you all should start hitting the line by NOV for bidding purposes. It is possible for for some of the Compass/Mesaba hold backs to be bidding some of those positions, so that might hurt things a bit, but I think they'll keep posting big numbers either way.
As far as bidding out to SLC is concerned I'd seriously think twice about that. Remember 767 to 7ER is in the works out there and has the potential to shake things up quite a bit. Before I went and seat locked myself on a more senior aircraft I'd want to see the results of the upcoming bid. I would imagine both DAL North and South guys not currently holding those seats will be interested which will trickle down to make everything that more senior/ stagnate out there depending on whether they open up SEA a bit more.
Reserve in MSP definitely sounds like it's a totally pain for some of you in the short term, but big picture is getting seat locked in the 320 or 737. Those seats are senior in any of the bases it sounds like you'd be interested in taking (LAX,SLC...or even back to MSP). You might end up locking yourself into guaranteed reserve for 2 years.
I'd think about waiting at least 1 AE regardless of what is published on the next one unless reserve out west is more attractive overall.
I know I will try to sit this one out if possible.
The interesting part of this AE is the SLC 767 to ER conversion.
08-24-2010, 07:09 AM
#145
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: 7ERB
Posts: 2,039
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Given what they are saying this is great advice. From all of the public stuff, this AE will be big, but the Jan one could be bigger than a few of them combined.
TYG
08-24-2010, 08:02 AM
#147
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
Originally Posted by Pitts S2B
I heard the AE will be out the first week of September. Any idea how "big" it will be???
I didn't even know there was one scheduled for January....
I didn't even know there was one scheduled for January....
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Given what they are saying this is great advice. From all of the public stuff, this AE will be big, but the Jan one could be bigger than a few of them combined.
I know I will try to sit this one out if possible.
The interesting part of this AE is the SLC 767 to ER conversion.
I know I will try to sit this one out if possible.
The interesting part of this AE is the SLC 767 to ER conversion.
08-24-2010, 08:05 AM
#148
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
Originally Posted by Express pilot
Why are your ready to done with resv. I can hold a line but bid resv here. I commute too. I never work. Are you getting used.
I'm tired.....
08-24-2010, 09:09 AM
#149
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: SLC ERB
Posts: 467
Originally Posted by FlyinPiker
Yeah that does blow in that ya'll really didn't have a choice.
I'm thinking you'll see some relief in at least 3 months. I don't know where you sit on the list, but even if you were at the very bottom and couldn't count on more conversions coming in beneath you I think there were 18 vacancies for MSP 88 in the Aug 16th class and there's 15 for the the Sept 6th class. In both classes it's been one of the largest numbered positions available which tells me they want guys in those seats. A steady flow of padding for you all should start hitting the line by NOV for bidding purposes. It is possible for for some of the Compass/Mesaba hold backs to be bidding some of those positions, so that might hurt things a bit, but I think they'll keep posting big numbers either way.
As far as bidding out to SLC is concerned I'd seriously think twice about that. Remember 767 to 7ER is in the works out there and has the potential to shake things up quite a bit. Before I went and seat locked myself on a more senior aircraft I'd want to see the results of the upcoming bid. I would imagine both DAL North and South guys not currently holding those seats will be interested which will trickle down to make everything that more senior/ stagnate out there depending on whether they open up SEA a bit more.
Reserve in MSP definitely sounds like it's a totally pain for some of you in the short term, but big picture is getting seat locked in the 320 or 737. Those seats are senior in any of the bases it sounds like you'd be interested in taking (LAX,SLC...or even back to MSP). You might end up locking yourself into guaranteed reserve for 2 years.
I'd think about waiting at least 1 AE regardless of what is published on the next one unless reserve out west is more attractive overall.
I'm thinking you'll see some relief in at least 3 months. I don't know where you sit on the list, but even if you were at the very bottom and couldn't count on more conversions coming in beneath you I think there were 18 vacancies for MSP 88 in the Aug 16th class and there's 15 for the the Sept 6th class. In both classes it's been one of the largest numbered positions available which tells me they want guys in those seats. A steady flow of padding for you all should start hitting the line by NOV for bidding purposes. It is possible for for some of the Compass/Mesaba hold backs to be bidding some of those positions, so that might hurt things a bit, but I think they'll keep posting big numbers either way.
As far as bidding out to SLC is concerned I'd seriously think twice about that. Remember 767 to 7ER is in the works out there and has the potential to shake things up quite a bit. Before I went and seat locked myself on a more senior aircraft I'd want to see the results of the upcoming bid. I would imagine both DAL North and South guys not currently holding those seats will be interested which will trickle down to make everything that more senior/ stagnate out there depending on whether they open up SEA a bit more.
Reserve in MSP definitely sounds like it's a totally pain for some of you in the short term, but big picture is getting seat locked in the 320 or 737. Those seats are senior in any of the bases it sounds like you'd be interested in taking (LAX,SLC...or even back to MSP). You might end up locking yourself into guaranteed reserve for 2 years.
I'd think about waiting at least 1 AE regardless of what is published on the next one unless reserve out west is more attractive overall.
08-24-2010, 09:22 AM
#150
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Originally Posted by johnso29
Maybe I'll switch to MSP M88. This month and last on DTW 320B I broke guarantee and ended with a RAW of 170+ !!!
I'm tired.....
I'm tired.....
Got you beat, and I still have a few days left in the month.
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