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Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 2208385)
Hearing we are going to cave on change to block hours.
Air France A 380 vs Delta A 321. We can never allow this to happen. Be informed and discuss with your reps. Don't listen to me or the jam down club. Call your Rep and be informed. Pilots aren't stupid. Give them 60 days, with language, and they'll figure it out. Block hours have an advantage when times are bad. EASK's work better on the upside. Each voting pilot can make up their own mind whether they're OK with removing 2 767's (6 pilots) for 1 A380 (usually 2 pilots) when the Atlantic is soft. And the Atlantic is soft. |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 2208385)
Hearing we are going to cave on change to block hours.
Air France A 380 vs Delta A 321. We can never allow this to happen. Be informed and discuss with your reps. Don't listen to me or the jam down club. Call your Rep and be informed. Concessions 1, 3, 14, 23... No gains 7, 11, 12... |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 2208397)
This is like being forced to watch an infommercial designed for the mentally disabled. In another language.
Pilots aren't stupid. Give them 60 days, with language, and they'll figure it out. Block hours have an advantage when times are bad. EASK's work better on the upside. Each voting pilot can make up their own mind whether they're OK with removing 2 767's (6 pilots) for 1 A380 (usually 2 pilots) when the Atlantic is soft. And the Atlantic is soft. 767 being replaced by A 321. The same guys who negotiated the VEBA are negotiating our JV scope. I was hired in 1985 this won't harm me. Consider the source. I'm fighting for our profession and our new pilots, not myself or management. |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 2208397)
This is like being forced to watch an infommercial designed for the mentally disabled. In another language.
Pilots aren't stupid. Give them 60 days, with language, and they'll figure it out. Block hours have an advantage when times are bad. EASK's work better on the upside. Each voting pilot can make up their own mind whether they're OK with removing 2 767's (6 pilots) for 1 A380 (usually 2 pilots) when the Atlantic is soft. And the Atlantic is soft. When you say "usually 2 pilots" for the A380, where is that coming from and exactly what percentage of A380 JV partner routes are 2 pilot crews? |
We need both BH and ESK protections.
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify
(Post 2207658)
Great point about the 100% focus thing. But you have been asking the forum to start focusing on JV, so here's a thread devoted to that.
What do you know about JV in the current negotiations and what do you think needs to be done? What I've seen (this is not directed at you), is that 737-800s and 321s are planned for trans-Atlantic routes. There were many on APC saying that wouldn't happen when the JV block hour conversion proposal was being contested. |
We need to not make any scope concessions during record profits.
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And which AIP improved JV and CS agreements? None
So company wants no change to CS JV Won't take the Alaska Marketing Agreement out of Sec 1 More large RJ's Significant cut to sick leave (sick once per quarter for a year and then you are on perpetual doctors notes going forward until you haven't called in long enough that the first sick call rolls off the rolling window). No verifying before that point! OE trip pulls And what other gems for 17-19%? |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 2208620)
We need to not make any scope concessions during record profits.
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Originally Posted by 300SMK
(Post 2208627)
I'm personally getting DPA stood up and firing all the old guard. And walk out.
Oh, you can wait. Forgot. And those that would like a deal are 'selfish'. |
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