Let me get this straight. You don't care if reps leak information they know is supposed to be confidential?

Which other sections of the Policy Manual do you think should be ignored?

- Membership ratification?
- The 7-day period for a new TA prior to the MEC voting?
- Requirement for the reps to confirm MEC chairman committee appointments?

Leaking confidential information is bad. Violating the trust of your fellow reps is bad. The content of the TA is a separate issue.

To answer your question, I think the pilots should see the TA after our reps have reviewed it, been briefed on all aspects of its details, and voted to send it out to us. I'd prefer to have my reps understand its contents so they can answer the questions I'll have.

I think this MEC has done a good job of publishing table positions to us over the previous months.

 

I believe I said I'm in favor of all pilots seeing the TA without a lopsided pro TA filter.

Just the facts (all the facts-good and bad), then allow us to make an informed decision.

If section 1 is of primary concern to you, this TA is a serious setback with respect to wide body flying.

 

We will waste 45-60 days with a vote that we can get back if we all see the TA now and can tell our reps to vote Yes or No to send it out to us.

All you and the Yes crowd want is to waste more time trying to fight for the right contract so you can sit back and say "I told you so".

Sad and pathetic.

 

I am only opposed to violations of the rules that we all agree to follow. The consideration of the TA should be orderly, logical, and not turn into a populist s__tshow because certain parties view the rejection of the agreement as an essential part of their political strategy.

Lewis is opposed to ANY rational outcome. Leaking the deal, spooling up the orange wackadoodles, and attacking the character and credibility of the elected officers, negotiators and volunteers are all that we can expect from this clown.

I won't tell anyone how to vote. Read what our elected negotiators send you, consider the terms and the rational consequences of either choice, and make a logical decision.

 

You're just mad because your minority side no longer controls the show.

 

So you're opposed to the pilots getting to vote on their future!

 

So you're opposed to pilots getting to decide whether we want our reps to waste 45-60 days on something we don't want! You're a dictator!

 

I can agree with most of this, but you must realize the negotiators are going to put their pro spin on this as this is their product. Not a neutral source for balanced information.

 

404 I don't see it that way at all, if anything, if this TA is better than the yes voters can't say I told you so, quite the opposite. I honestly don't think most pilots care about the politics of yes or no camps, they care about getting a contract they can approve and vote in favor of. I don't need a leaked TA, I can wait until after the MEC has a look. If it passes the MEC I'll take a look and make my own decision. I am however concerned about the C1 chairman violating the trust of his fellow reps and Delta pilots by taking it upon himself to leak the TA. We really can't operate that way and be successful.

 

So it looks like you are saying that the pilots should tell the reps whether or not to pass something along to the pilots without the pilots having any knowledge of said document.

Is that about right?

I can glean nothing else from your ridiculous arguments other than standard DPA obstruction.