Originally Posted by trustbutverify (Post 2221362)

Does that include Great Britain?

And 40% isn't 1/3.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 2221377)

345/(345+509) is how I figured. Our share of the market, if we want to make population the issue.

I'm not married to this argument. What do you suggest?

Originally Posted by trustbutverify (Post 2221247)

Because we still live under C2012. If we pass this AIP into a TA, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the new Europe flying disappears.

Those events you mention affect all JV partners. So why are we always the ones to volunteer to take it in the shorts?

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 2221232)

Well, if they keep the 50-seaters around, the net size of DCI doesn't shrink, and we increase above our ratios without downside protection, it will prove to be a mistake, sure.

The whole premise for not trading a large number of 50-seaters for a much smaller number if 76-seaters (subject to seat remival in case if furlough) was that the 50-seaters were going away anyway, and the company wants to order 76-seaters badly enough to have us flying them. Let's see if one or both things happen before we log this as a win.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 2221360)

These are European carriers. The EU population is 509 million. This isn't a deal for flying to France, Italy, and Holland.

Using population, we should get ~40% of the flying.

Seems like a self-defeating argument.

Originally Posted by BtoA (Post 2221460)

Yet we have a contract requiring around 50%. I guess any contractual gain we have that you think is too much in our favor should just be given away?

Originally Posted by BtoA (Post 2221458)

With all due respect, it is very obvious that you do not understand the importance of our scope protections. Please, folks, understand why scope protections matter. The entire 2000s should give you some idea.

Originally Posted by bucking bar (Post 2220261)

then ken watts could help you to understand that if the company violates our scope, under this ta, or under c2012, (or under the student counsel the dpa would set up to represent us) our bargaining agent would file a grievance which, as a minor dispute, would receive expedited handling while both sides are required to operate under the status quo. The bargaining agent could seek a variety of remedies from injunctive relief to compensatory and punitive damages.

Thank you for serving your pilots for free. I can only imagine the difficulty of sitting across the table from nwa management, regardless of the forum.

Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2220002)

if not for all the 'dis-unity'......you already would have had a ta, done and over.

and right about now, would be standing with your d**k in your hand......wondering how we got screwed over so badly.