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Molon Labe 10-15-2016 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2224261)
The facts however show that we have substantially upsized the overall equipment in Europe.

And tremendous downsizing of equipment in the Asia Pacific region...

JamesBond 10-15-2016 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Molon Labe (Post 2224307)
And tremendous downsizing of equipment in the Asia Pacific region...

So GLOBAL protection is bad... why???

gloopy 10-15-2016 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2224319)
So GLOBAL protection is bad... why???

Clean socks are good too. Would you give up a couple trans atlantic flights a day to get free company issue clean socks?

Of course global protection is good. The issue is how much protection are we talking about, and what did we sacrifice to get it?

Forgiving an imbalance that was supposed to be 50% (it was never supposed to be 48.5% that was merely the worst case absolute floor bottom that ended up being the goal which ended up being the ceiling after we fell through it) in exchange for protecting less global block hours than we currently fly is far from the slam dunk win you're making it out to be.

I've advocated for both EASK and BH protections, as well as global. This isn't very good at any of those things. I'd rate it as a net negative were it not for the hard 2 year period replacing the asinine, pathetically negotiated unlimited bottom 3+1 plan we were on before. That is actually a very nice win, and the 757 and wide only protection is great too...provided VA or whoever can't sneak in narrow bodies under the radar, which I haven't got to the bottom on yet.

So does the 2 year hard balance equate to or exceed the unlimited 4 year cycle of abuse we were on before? Given that its a 2% cut we're looking at, it actually might, since I'd rather be at 46.5% every year than 40, 42, 37, 49 cycle under the current system. It still sucks we can't get a fair share every single year though. I guess half only means half for foreign airlines for some reason.

Molon Labe 10-15-2016 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2224319)
So GLOBAL protection is bad... why???

Our protection is inadequate especially in the Pacific...

JamesBond 10-15-2016 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Molon Labe (Post 2224344)
Our protection is inadequate especially in the Pacific...

and YOUR solution is?

KnotSoFast 10-15-2016 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2224347)
and YOUR solution is?

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His solution no doubt involves 747s. Lots of 747s. Daily. To everywhere.

( you do know he was a 747 Capt for 17 yrs (!?!!) before demotion? Just ask him. Or pls don't. )
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Litercola 10-16-2016 10:02 AM

Been here 2x years/35 years old. Obviously scope has big impact on people like me.... It seems crystal clear to me the company is going to immediately drop to 46.5% right off that bat.... It's been said that a 2% reduction = 1 daily RT PER DAY... That seems like a lot of flying to me. Does anyone have the data to convert "2%" into an actual number of left and right seat WB jobs? Those actual numbers may resonate/paint a better picture. Thanks.

IluvTBrady 10-16-2016 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2224347)
and YOUR solution is?

Maybe a backbone. Is that considered a major one now?

Molon Labe 10-16-2016 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by IluvTBrady (Post 2224828)
Maybe a backbone. Is that considered a major one now?

A backbone is a pretty tall order here....the tradition of concessing and declaring victory is habitual.

formerdal 10-16-2016 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2224261)
The facts however show that we have substantially upsized the overall equipment in Europe.


facts!?....Don't provide him with facts, he's been ****ed ever since they pried him out of the whale!! I wonder if he tells the other captains on his airplane they're 2nd and 3rd class citizens...:rolleyes:


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