So prove your point. Average out the rates in our industry and post them. See if our rates are just average. It will take you about 10 minutes to compile a average from UAL, AMR, SWA, AK. Those will actually be above industry average but it will do. Then show that are rates are average with those. We await your numbers!

sailing,
I remember you screaming about how SWA is not in our "category" for any comparing. Now it's ok?
AK? really? Alaska?
Let's not forget SkyWest, that would suit your purpose wouldn't it?
Cargo? They don't exist for you, do they? :)

Show me where I ever said that? They are the largest domestic airline in the US. What I have stated repeatedly is they never set the bar higher for anything. They ended up leading the industry for a time by a good gamble and chapter 11 laws.
Alaska is a key competitor in the hubs that controls the future for most of the international growth in our future.(LAX SEA) Competing with them is critical for younger pilots.

SWA and AK are not in my industry average. UAL, AA, FedEx, and UPS maybe. I would have never come to DAL if I knew I was going to settle for SWA or AK wages. Delta is (was?) a top-tier airline.

I don't need to make a spreadsheet to know these rates are no better than industry standard. Surely you are not saying they are well above the standard?

Exactly. I should have read on before I responded.

I gots to know, are you really a fan of TayTay?

"Pay Rate Comparison" presentations are only a small portion of an entire contract. Compare the ENTIRE new and improved Delta TA to the new UPS contract in relation to the Defined Benefit Plan (A Fund) paying $126K per year in retirement, 12% B Fund, no PBS scheduling BS, the new OCV vacation rules where a 2 week vacation now results in a guaranteed month off, optional annual 72 hour sick bank cash out, etc etc.

I'd like to see the profitable people movers make a strong push for reinstatement of a well-deserved A Plan vs. eyeing a profit sharing check. Spoke with a Schwab rep the other day to get the facts.... to guarantee our A Plan number of $126K per year for life after retiring at age 65 I'd have to write them a $2.53M check on the day I retired. That's a lot of profit sharing checks. Food for thought.

I don't have to eat Madagascar Hissing Cockroaches to know that some 'food' is awful. As to a DB plan - hell to the no.

That's your standard Beijing layover. Don't fall for the DB scheme. Money in your own name.

You need to post correct info on their new B plan. Most pilots will never see anything like the numbers you are posting unless they are a 30 year old new hire and even then it's far from guaranteed. It's only good to the next contract or chapter 11. There is no lookback for years of service. It only accrues going forward.