Accurate?
11-12-2016 | 03:41 AM
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Scoop, I usually dig your commentary, but this is disappointing. The answer is yes...those are accurate. The poster didn't ask what else is missing, and is presumably not a second grader devoid of any ability to think critically. I think it's healthy to know as many comparatives as possible...after all, we're continually told that we are compensated relative to the industry and not what we are (or we think we are) worth.
Since the company and SD went out of their way to acknowledge we deserve industry-leading pay, work rules and benefits, it's completely fair to validate our TA through that lens. In many ways, that comparison is subjective and none of our personal metrics are necessarily a perfect fit for others.
Since the company and SD went out of their way to acknowledge we deserve industry-leading pay, work rules and benefits, it's completely fair to validate our TA through that lens. In many ways, that comparison is subjective and none of our personal metrics are necessarily a perfect fit for others.
11-12-2016 | 04:24 AM
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Some items are not accurate such as HA per diem. Overall it's far less then ours. Our DC plan is the only one that pays on profit sharing which boosts our payout above everyone else even at 15% and it goes to 16% 1 Jan. Some comparisons they use the date as of signing instead of 1 Jan 17 a whole month later. Our flight attendants get a higher daily rate but for a given standard 2 day recurrent only get 2 days pay instead of the 3 or even 4 we would get with travel days.
We all have access to the full 68-page contract comparison, and hundreds of pages of contractual language. In my mind there's nothing wrong with some highlights of the negative aspects for voters to contemplate or disregard at their leisure. In my case, they aren't enough to make me vote no...but they remind me that should industry profits disappear, much of what makes us "industry-leading" will evaporate.
Let's all hope that doesn't happen.
11-12-2016 | 06:11 AM
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This has been floating around on the line, wondering if anyone's seen it and checked its accuracy?
- Delta F/O % of captain pay is LESS than Hawaiian, JB, SW, Fedex, and UPS.
- Delta International pay is LESS than SW and Fedex.
- Delta night pay is LESS than SW and JB.
- Delta per diem is LESS than Hawaiian, Fedex, and UPS.
- Delta vacation days are LESS than UAL (+7 days), Alaska (+ 6 days), Hawaiian (+3 days), Fedex (+1 day).
- Delta vacation pay is LESS than UAL (+10.5 hours), Alaska (+17.5 hours), SW (+34.6 hours), UPS (+49 hours), Fedex (+90 hours), JB* (* JB has a personal drop, sick and vacation bank).
- Delta training pay is LESS than Alaska, SW, Fedex, and our own Delta Flt. attendants.
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Delta duty/trip rigs are LESS than SW.
- Delta DPA/ADG is LESS than SW.
- Delta retirement is LESS than Fedex, UPS, Alaska, and Hawaiian, all of whom have some sort of DB along with an additional DC. Additionally, AMR and UAL have had a 16% DC for some time now.
- Delta medical is LESS than Alaska, UAL, Hawaiian, SW, Fedex, and PS.
- Delta Dental is LESS than UPS, Fedex,
- Delta F/O % of captain pay is LESS than Hawaiian, JB, SW, Fedex, and UPS.
- Delta International pay is LESS than SW and Fedex.
- Delta night pay is LESS than SW and JB.
- Delta per diem is LESS than Hawaiian, Fedex, and UPS.
- Delta vacation days are LESS than UAL (+7 days), Alaska (+ 6 days), Hawaiian (+3 days), Fedex (+1 day).
- Delta vacation pay is LESS than UAL (+10.5 hours), Alaska (+17.5 hours), SW (+34.6 hours), UPS (+49 hours), Fedex (+90 hours), JB* (* JB has a personal drop, sick and vacation bank).
- Delta training pay is LESS than Alaska, SW, Fedex, and our own Delta Flt. attendants.
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Delta duty/trip rigs are LESS than SW.
- Delta DPA/ADG is LESS than SW.
- Delta retirement is LESS than Fedex, UPS, Alaska, and Hawaiian, all of whom have some sort of DB along with an additional DC. Additionally, AMR and UAL have had a 16% DC for some time now.
- Delta medical is LESS than Alaska, UAL, Hawaiian, SW, Fedex, and PS.
- Delta Dental is LESS than UPS, Fedex,
11-12-2016 | 06:21 AM
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11-12-2016 | 10:45 AM
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Some items are not accurate such as HA per diem. Overall it's far less then ours. Our DC plan is the only one that pays on profit sharing which boosts our payout above everyone else even at 15% and it goes to 16% 1 Jan. Some comparisons they use the date as of signing instead of 1 Jan 17 a whole month later. Our flight attendants get a higher daily rate but for a given standard 2 day recurrent only get 2 days pay instead of the 3 or even 4 we would get with travel days.
AA also gets DC on profit sharing.
11-13-2016 | 02:30 AM
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JetBlue Night Override is $13/hr between 0100-0500 base local time. If a flight is scheduled into that time all of the block will have the night override. If a flight is late and goes into that time frame, then it rounds up to the hour. So if you block in at 0100 base local time, you get one hour of night override.
I forget what international pay is, but it's only for foreign destinations that require special training. So that's just Lima, Quito, Mexico City, Bogota, Medellin, Liberia, and San Jose County. Flights to any other international destinations don't qualify for international override.
That basically means only FLL based crews have the chance for international pay.
I forget what international pay is, but it's only for foreign destinations that require special training. So that's just Lima, Quito, Mexico City, Bogota, Medellin, Liberia, and San Jose County. Flights to any other international destinations don't qualify for international override.
That basically means only FLL based crews have the chance for international pay.
11-13-2016 | 08:44 PM
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