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Old 12-08-2016 | 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You better hope that nothing important like a merger or significant change in alliances happens in the next 3 years.
Our new MEC chairman is like a sleazy divorce attorney. He never produces a good outcome but sows lots of hate and dicontent along the way! That keeps the billable hours up until the savings accounts are empty.
Examples or just mud slinging? Seems to be a lot of butt hurt from the admin guys.

Or maybe you can answer a question: Where would we be if the 12 had not put their feet down? Haven't really seen anybody address that despite numerous mentions.
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Old 12-08-2016 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by brakechatter
Examples or just mud slinging? Seems to be a lot of butt hurt from the admin guys.

Or maybe you can answer a question: Where would we be if the 12 had not put their feet down? Haven't really seen anybody address that despite numerous mentions.
We would have had the contract that we now have 6 months sooner. In the spring the negotiating committee outlined what they felt was achievable to the MEC if they were given the latitude to negotiate it. It's a mirror of the TA. Only when the 12 finally gave that approval did we get a TA.
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Old 12-08-2016 | 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Tanker1497
You do realize that Kern voted yes on the TA? Johnson voted no, but given the circumstances surrounding his vote, not to sure about his no vote.
Doesn't matter. As soon as you stop representing the desires of your constituents you will be in the hot seat.

We will find out soon at the C44 Meeting how ATL pilots feel about their MEC Election votes.

Personally I am in favor of recall and will vote accordingly
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Old 12-08-2016 | 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We would have had the contract that we now have 6 months sooner. In the spring the negotiating committee outlined what they felt was achievable to the MEC if they were given the latitude to negotiate it. It's a mirror of the TA. Only when the 12 finally gave that approval did we get a TA.
Just curious but since we got retro what did we lose? I'm ok The the rolling sick leave 6 months sooner
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Old 12-08-2016 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear
Just curious but since we got retro what did we lose? I'm ok The the rolling sick leave 6 months sooner
Was Bartels the NWA MEC Chairman during the merger?
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Old 12-08-2016 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
we would have had the contract that we now have 6 months sooner. In the spring the negotiating committee outlined what they felt was achievable to the mec if they were given the latitude to negotiate it. It's a mirror of the ta. Only when the 12 finally gave that approval did we get a ta.
the 12 prevented:

1. Profit sharing concessions
2. Additional scope relief beyond what was given
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Old 12-08-2016 | 05:24 AM
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So what typically happens? Is there a wholesale housecleaning of committee chairmen and fpl staff personnel? What happened when Moak ousted JM the first time? Isn't this just a continuation of the process that saw TA1 shot down? Or is this more of an overrun of the White Walkers coming over the Wall? (GOT/NWA reference). I'm so far removed from union politics that I really don't know. I'd appreciate insight from those closer.
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Old 12-08-2016 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We would have had the contract that we now have 6 months sooner. In the spring the negotiating committee outlined what they felt was achievable to the MEC if they were given the latitude to negotiate it. It's a mirror of the TA. Only when the 12 finally gave that approval did we get a TA.
Don't forget all the RJs and scope relief plus profit sharing gives that we now don't have in the contract because of them... but you knew that.
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Old 12-08-2016 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Doesn't matter. As soon as you stop representing the desires of your constituents you will be in the hot seat.

We will find out soon at the C44 Meeting how ATL pilots feel about their MEC Election votes.

Personally I am in favor of recall and will vote accordingly
You're logic is flawed. You are talking about representing the desires of your constituents. Kern voted yes on the TA; 82 percent voted yes on the TA. He is up for recall. And you're in favor of it. That makes great sense Trip7!
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Old 12-08-2016 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Don't forget all the RJs and scope relief plus profit sharing gives that we now don't have in the contract because of them... but you knew that.
That was all achievable in the spring.
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