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Old 12-08-2016 | 05:46 AM
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Kudos to MEC majority. Finish the house cleaning.

- "It is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory." Dr. Ed Deming
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Old 12-08-2016 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We would have had the contract that we now have 6 months sooner. In the spring the negotiating committee outlined what they felt was achievable to the MEC if they were given the latitude to negotiate it. It's a mirror of the TA. Only when the 12 finally gave that approval did we get a TA.
Was that in open session or are you in a non-disclosure status? I had heard a different version of what you post, but I am not in the know. If you are not under non-disclosure, you aren't either. The 12 did NOTHING any other administration hasn't done when they have a consensus. Frankly, I was a bit surprised John wasn't elected. No doubt there were ugly parts of the process, as there have been with every single election and recall. It's part of the democratic process. I find extremely distasteful the remarks of members of John's administration, and it is interesting to see the true colors of people when the chips are down--not to mention the approximate 15 seconds between the election and the announcement of the council 44 meeting agenda including the recall of the 44 f/o representatives. Very telling.

If we are talking TA innuendo, my gut feeling is the vote was probably closer to the usual 60/40, except that members of the MEC, and their constituents voted closer to my line of thinking--and its confirmed with several of the f/os I have flown with: Rather than the home run, it is more like we are finally at the point where the risk is higher than the potential reward. In the meantime, we have (as a union) ushered in a era where we are actually supporting seniority abrogation and merit based incentives.

On another note, if we are talking about mergers, the elected chairman was around for the merger. I suspect there are many lessons learned to do the same and to do differently under his belt. Where was Captain Malone during the merger, and then subsequently aligned himself with DPA rather than reengage. Regardless, a merger committee would be elected and be responsible to the MEC. Additionally, even if a merger were announced TODAY, the wheels roll slowly and the audience is MUCH more in the loop with social media checks and balances--and hyperbole.
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Old 12-08-2016 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
That was all achievable in the spring.
In the wise words of Donald Trump:

"WRONG"
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Old 12-08-2016 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Bradshaw24
Council 44 Captain reps cucold by the F/O reps they endorsed. You really can't make this stuff up. Get the popcorn.
You could say the opposite.
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Old 12-08-2016 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Doesn't matter. As soon as you stop representing the desires of your constituents you will be in the hot seat.

We will find out soon at the C44 Meeting how ATL pilots feel about their MEC Election votes.

Personally I am in favor of recall and will vote accordingly
aren't you in C66? And we know you are in favor. You were opposed to anyone who said no to anything during contract talks.
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Old 12-08-2016 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We would have had the contract that we now have 6 months sooner. In the spring the negotiating committee outlined what they felt was achievable to the MEC if they were given the latitude to negotiate it. It's a mirror of the TA. Only when the 12 finally gave that approval did we get a TA.
You have all this inside information, how?

Your timeline excluded the AIP documents that caused a backlash and a need for redirection. Oh, and the company pay opener.

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Old 12-08-2016 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Doesn't matter. As soon as you stop representing the desires of your constituents you will be in the hot seat.

We will find out soon at the C44 Meeting how ATL pilots feel about their MEC Election votes.

Personally I am in favor of recall and will vote accordingly
There's a reversal of opinion. Or as the proletariat call it a "flip flop."


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Old 12-08-2016 | 06:05 AM
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the fact that the usual suspects are up in arms and melting down on facebook show me the right decision was made yesterday.
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Old 12-08-2016 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
That was all achievable in the spring.

Excuse the interruption.
But, unfortunately, spring was only 9mos after being lied to by crap union leadership and house cleaning had only just begun.

What did you lose in 6mos...
Last year it was, "time value of money".
Now, it's, "retro too late for Trump rally"?

Or did your boss lose his job?
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Old 12-08-2016 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by kobaracing1
Excuse the interruption.
But, unfortunately, spring was only 9mos after being lied to by crap union leadership and house cleaning had only just begun.

What did you lose in 6mos...
Last year it was, "time value of money".
Now, it's, "retro too late for Trump rally"?
Maybe he, along with Trip 7, would prefer more concessions. Unbelievable.
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