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Jodi 12-19-2016 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 2266073)
You must be thinking about someone else because I didn't post a single comment for or against TA2.

Well I just now referenced the How Did You Vote thread, and there is DALFA voting no right between crewdawg52 and DC10guy. Did someone break into your APC account?

DALFA 12-19-2016 10:19 PM


Originally Posted by Jodi (Post 2266079)
Well I just now referenced the How Did You Vote thread, and there is DALFA voting no right between crewdawg52 and DC10guy. Did someone break into your APC account?

As I said, I didn't post a single comment. You seem to have trouble reading what I post since you believe that I argued against.

Papasmurf 12-20-2016 03:45 AM


Originally Posted by Jodi (Post 2266079)
Well I just now referenced the How Did You Vote thread, and there is DALFA voting no right between crewdawg52 and DC10guy. Did someone break into your APC account?

You sure it wasn't DALFO...I believe we have someone on this forum with that alias. Papa

GogglesPisano 12-20-2016 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by trustbutverify (Post 2265990)
So what? If the pilots coordinate a job action and it's deemed legal, then shouldn't we support it regardless of the name of the organization acting as the union mouthpiece? A union exists to serve the members, not the other way around.

Have you read the Chairman's Letter?

rube 12-20-2016 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 2265959)
http://m.atwonline.com/labor/virgin-atlantic-faces-work-rule-over-pilot-representation

What's the rumor going around about ALPA agreeing to fly extra sections if Virgin pilots "flying the contract" causes disruptions?

I'd hope Delta pilots would not be willing to fly these extra sections if that's the case. In the name of "unity" of course.

Why are you here again? Here's the quote from ATW:

“The company has been notified, as required by law, that this will begin on Dec. 23,” a PPU spokeswoman said. “The action will see a removal of ‘pilot goodwill,’ with pilots who are members of the PPU working strictly to their contract.”

The new union warned that the action―which stops short of a strike―could continue indefinitely, and could result in some flights not being fully staffed.


It's not a strike, it's not even a job action against Speedbird, it's an attempt to switch unions. This is the equivalent of the DPA cornholes calling for a "no overtime" campaign, which they did in 2015, and which got their Dear Leader 30 days off the schedule.

Elliot 12-20-2016 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by rube (Post 2266121)
Why are you here again?

Why are you here again?!?! Because you no longer have a cushy ALPA job to fall back on? 😂😂😂

Last I checked, this is a public forum. You're welcome to stop coming here if DALFA's posts upset you.

DALMD88FO 12-20-2016 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 2265959)
http://m.atwonline.com/labor/virgin-atlantic-faces-work-rule-over-pilot-representation

What's the rumor going around about ALPA agreeing to fly extra sections if Virgin pilots "flying the contract" causes disruptions?

I'd hope Delta pilots would not be willing to fly these extra sections if that's the case. In the name of "unity" of course.

If you are so interested in this then you should find yourself a copy of the most recent Chairman's letter to the Delta pilots and it explains the situation in detail.

ClimbClimbNow 12-20-2016 05:44 AM

Ummm.

One person's thoughts here, and I'm not the Internet Police:

>>It's not a strike, it's not even a job action against Speedbird<<

Speedbird is the callsign for British Airways (not Virgin Atlantic), and yes-- there is going to be a strike there. Mixed Cabin crew members in LHR on Christmas/Boxing Day I believe.

>>Why are you here again?<<

>>the DPA cornholes <<

I appreciate DALFA's perspective and have friends that still think DPA is an answer (I disagree). Throwing those barbs in don't help your argument and may serve to alienate some of the sub groups you want your argument to appeal to.

You might consider extinguishing the blow torch...If you are here to convince people and not just vent on targets of opportunity.

JamesBond 12-20-2016 06:32 AM

Is this group the legally recognized CBA by all parties (pilots, company,government)? Is BALPA no longer on the property? Who does the negotiating of contracts and other work rule/pay/etc... things? To me it would seem that if this PPU group is the answer then yes there is something here. If not, then is is another version of DPA.

poostain 12-20-2016 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2266154)
Is this group the legally recognized CBA by all parties (pilots, company,government)? Is BALPA no longer on the property? Who does the negotiating of contracts and other work rule/pay/etc... things? To me it would seem that if this PPU group is the answer then yes there is something here. If not, then is is another version of DPA.

There is a big difference from dPA to PPU. First, PPU has the majority 70% I believe I read. Second, They most likely will soon be the only legal bargaining agent for the VA pilots. So The problem is that VA won't recognize them YET. It is entirely legal in Britain to call for this job action under their laws, it is entirely illegal for the dPA to call for anything at all until a representation vote has been carried out and passed, Even then they would have the railway labor act ect. to deal with before any action. So to compare PPU to dPA is silly, and guys using that analogy are misleading you.


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