VS pilot dispute - DL extra sections
12-19-2016 | 05:37 PM
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VS pilot dispute - DL extra sections
http://m.atwonline.com/labor/virgin-atlantic-faces-work-rule-over-pilot-representation
What's the rumor going around about ALPA agreeing to fly extra sections if Virgin pilots "flying the contract" causes disruptions?
I'd hope Delta pilots would not be willing to fly these extra sections if that's the case. In the name of "unity" of course.
What's the rumor going around about ALPA agreeing to fly extra sections if Virgin pilots "flying the contract" causes disruptions?
I'd hope Delta pilots would not be willing to fly these extra sections if that's the case. In the name of "unity" of course.
12-19-2016 | 05:50 PM
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http://m.atwonline.com/labor/virgin-atlantic-faces-work-rule-over-pilot-representation
What's the rumor going around about ALPA agreeing to fly extra sections if Virgin pilots "flying the contract" causes disruptions?
I'd hope Delta pilots would not be willing to fly these extra sections if that's the case. In the name of "unity" of course.
What's the rumor going around about ALPA agreeing to fly extra sections if Virgin pilots "flying the contract" causes disruptions?
I'd hope Delta pilots would not be willing to fly these extra sections if that's the case. In the name of "unity" of course.
We just received a fairly detailed Chairman's Letter about this.
I'm confident that this is definitely not "struck work." It's an upstart union trying to takeover from BALPA (hmm, sounds familiar...) BALPA is their CBA and has not condoned any job action.
12-19-2016 | 06:39 PM
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So what? If the pilots coordinate a job action and it's deemed legal, then shouldn't we support it regardless of the name of the organization acting as the union mouthpiece? A union exists to serve the members, not the other way around.
12-19-2016 | 06:43 PM
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Labor law is different in the U.K. and unions are formed & recognized based on card check instead of elections and of course it's much easier to call for a work action.
To me it seems like this is a little payback to Delta management by ALPA for the contract recently negotiated.
12-19-2016 | 06:45 PM
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That's true. Also, BALPA only represents 30% of pilots. In Europe labor law allows for multiple unions to represent a work group. It's Virgin Atlantic that has chosen not to recognize PPU, not the pilots or government.
12-19-2016 | 07:29 PM
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Think of it this way. If DPA won an election to represent Delta pilots by a 70/30 margin but Delta management refuses to recognize DPA and instead keeps recognizing ALPA instead. That's what's happening with the VS pilots.
Labor law is different in the U.K. and unions are formed & recognized based on card check instead of elections and of course it's much easier to call for a work action.
To me it seems like this is a little payback to Delta management by ALPA for the contract recently negotiated.
Labor law is different in the U.K. and unions are formed & recognized based on card check instead of elections and of course it's much easier to call for a work action.
To me it seems like this is a little payback to Delta management by ALPA for the contract recently negotiated.
12-19-2016 | 08:30 PM
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As far as the rest of the post...
What am I misinformed about? Virgin Atlantic (the company) is refusing to recognize the union that has the support of 70% of their pilots so they're engaging in some type of action (flying the contract).
You don't think that the pilots and their union is right about having gripes against Virgin Atlantic? If 70% of you voted in DPA and Delta said they're still recognizing ALPA would that be ok?
12-19-2016 | 08:47 PM
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I wanted to vote down what contract? Your TA1 that 2/3 pilots also voted down? Yeah...of course. Those changes to your JV scope would have also impacted my career. Duh!
As far as the rest of the post...
What am I misinformed about? Virgin Atlantic (the company) is refusing to recognize the union that has the support of 70% of their pilots so they're engaging in some type of action (flying the contract).
You don't think that the pilots and their union is right about having gripes against Virgin Atlantic? If 70% of you voted in DPA and Delta said they're still recognizing ALPA would that be ok?
As far as the rest of the post...
What am I misinformed about? Virgin Atlantic (the company) is refusing to recognize the union that has the support of 70% of their pilots so they're engaging in some type of action (flying the contract).
You don't think that the pilots and their union is right about having gripes against Virgin Atlantic? If 70% of you voted in DPA and Delta said they're still recognizing ALPA would that be ok?
12-19-2016 | 09:26 PM
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You must be thinking about someone else because I didn't post a single comment for or against TA2.
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