Flying on your days off for extra $$$??
04-19-2007, 08:10 AM
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Flying on your days off for extra $$$??
I was thinking about how impossible it's going to be to live off of 19,000/year and I do realize you can make more than the mins.
My question is: What kind of flying are you allowed to do on your days off? I hear some airlines have clauses in the contract that basically say that you "surrender" your certificate to the airline.
I'm a flight instructor and would like to continue instructing on the side for fun and supplemental income and in the future will have opportunities to do some contract work that pays VERY well.
How are the rules regarding this at your regional?
I'm specifically interested in XJT, Chitaqua, and other noteable airlines.
Thanks for the info.
My question is: What kind of flying are you allowed to do on your days off? I hear some airlines have clauses in the contract that basically say that you "surrender" your certificate to the airline.
I'm a flight instructor and would like to continue instructing on the side for fun and supplemental income and in the future will have opportunities to do some contract work that pays VERY well.
How are the rules regarding this at your regional?
I'm specifically interested in XJT, Chitaqua, and other noteable airlines.
Thanks for the info.
04-19-2007, 08:22 AM
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Two things really,
My first year at XJT I made well over $25K, I did fly well over 90 hours every month, so that was my "extra income source"....believe me the hours are there if you want them.
Second, most airlines require you to ask permission from your chief pilot before accepting another flying gig specially if getting paid for, as it counts towards your monthly and annual totals...potentially affecting your 121 job.
$19k a is base salary, after per diem and extra hours it will still be tight, but you can survive on it.
My first year at XJT I made well over $25K, I did fly well over 90 hours every month, so that was my "extra income source"....believe me the hours are there if you want them.
Second, most airlines require you to ask permission from your chief pilot before accepting another flying gig specially if getting paid for, as it counts towards your monthly and annual totals...potentially affecting your 121 job.
$19k a is base salary, after per diem and extra hours it will still be tight, but you can survive on it.
04-19-2007, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Sanchez
Second, most airlines require you to ask permission from your chief pilot before accepting another flying gig specially if getting paid for, as it counts towards your monthly and annual totals...potentially affecting your 121 job.
For example: I could max out my 121 hours with the airline. And Flight instruct say 200 hours that year with out breaking any regs. If I wanted to that is.
Am I correct?
04-19-2007, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AV8ER
I don't believe so...I believe the flight instructing counts towards the 1000.
04-19-2007, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dunlaf05
For example: I could max out my 121 hours with the airline. And Flight instruct say 200 hours that year with out breaking any regs. If I wanted to that is.
Am I correct?
http://airlinepilotforums.com/showthread.php?t=9624
CFI'ing for pay counts toward your 1000 hours/year.
Now, the question remains - why CFI for free if the goal is to make money? I suppose you could run a scam where you fly for free but you students pay you $100/hr for ground, but then you're just trying to step thru a loophole.
If you can't pickup time on the side, find some other source of income IMO.
Now, for a reality check. If you can't afford to take the job - don't. Find another flying gig that meets your requirements.
04-19-2007, 09:35 AM
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what if you own a flight school and your student pays the school and its a corporation and you collect dividends at the end of the quarter instead of a paycheck. Or if you sell airplanes and ferrying an aircraft is contribitory to your business but you aren't actually paid to fly but you are paid to broker an aircraft. Loopholes I'm sure.
04-19-2007, 09:44 AM
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Loopholes are awesome until you ding a wingtip and have to tell your current employer you're going to be out for a lil' while since the FAA has suspended your certificate pending review and a possible 701 ride. There's more to it than just time issues. Bad things can happen to the most proficient and prepared pilot. I could be making a crap ton of money on the side doing checkrides right now, but until I get some approval from the CP, I stay on the ground during my free time.
I'm not telling anyone what to do with their free time. Fly all you want, just give it a little more thought than "Hey, if I keep the times legal this should be good!"
I'm not telling anyone what to do with their free time. Fly all you want, just give it a little more thought than "Hey, if I keep the times legal this should be good!"
04-19-2007, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SharkyBN584
Loopholes are awesome until you ding a wingtip and have to tell your current employer you're going to be out for a lil' while since the FAA has suspended your certificate pending review and a possible 701 ride. There's more to it than just time issues. Bad things can happen to the most proficient and prepared pilot. I could be making a crap ton of money on the side doing checkrides right now, but until I get some approval from the CP, I stay on the ground during my free time.
I'm not telling anyone what to do with their free time. Fly all you want, just give it a little more thought than "Hey, if I keep the times legal this should be good!"
I'm not telling anyone what to do with their free time. Fly all you want, just give it a little more thought than "Hey, if I keep the times legal this should be good!"
I agree with this statement 100%. Even if you could get paid "under the table" you're risking your career, particularly in the event of an incident or accident.
One of my friends didn't want to fly 95hrs a month, so he bid a min line (75 hrs) and he waited tables on the side. I believe he made about $20K on the side waiting tables....just some food for thought.
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