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Old 04-19-2007, 12:46 PM
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Its only commercial flying if you recieve payment for it. If you give you uncle a bfr in his bonanza and he doesn't pay you then that wasnt a commercial operation. It was a part 91 pleasure flight.
Be careful here. The Feds have held that the time in your logbook (assuming you logged the flight - whether logged as dual given or not) in and of itself constitutes compensation for your time. Something to think about...

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Old 04-19-2007, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
Its only commercial flying if you recieve payment for it. If you give you uncle a bfr in his bonanza and he doesn't pay you then that wasnt a commercial operation. It was a part 91 pleasure flight.
Well, just make sure every one of your students are your uncle...then you're fine.
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Old 04-19-2007, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by kbalch
Be careful here. The Feds have held that the time in your logbook (assuming you logged the flight - whether logged as dual given or not) in and of itself constitutes compensation for your time. Something to think about...

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where's that come from, never heard of that before.
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TXTECHKA
where's that come from, never heard of that before.
As I recall (I'm reaching back a number of years here), it was from an article by the guy who writes the aviation law column in AOPA Pilot. A quick call to AOPA should chase down the specific reference.

In the BFR example you gave, you left your signature in your uncle's logbook (had to sign off the BFR). He got something of value from you and the presumption would be that you received something of value in return. Even if the only compensation was the time in your logbook, it still counts as such. That was the standing precedent as of about five years ago and I haven't heard/read anything since about it being superceded by another legal opinion.

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Old 04-19-2007, 01:06 PM
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huh thats interesting. never heard of it.
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:30 PM
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Hey folks, let's focus here! This thread was about earning money to supplement regional pay. Unless I'm missing the "big picture", if you were CFI'ing on the side wouldn't the point be to actually MAKE money on the side?

I believe the FAA's view of counting flight time as compensation was when it was used towards meeting the requirements for a certificate or rating.
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Old 04-19-2007, 02:39 PM
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Here's what you do. Buy a desktop flight simulator or PCATD and set up an IFR training program. You charge an extra, extra, high price for sim instruction (doesn't count as commercial flying) and provide yourself as a safety pilot (and don't log it) for free to the student.

You guys are making too big a thing out of this. Don't ask, don't tell...it's worked for years...
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Old 04-19-2007, 06:11 PM
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Don't ask, don't tell...it's worked for years...
That's a jest, right? If so, :-). If not, well, that's kind of a morally bankrupt point of view...

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Old 04-19-2007, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
Here's what you do. Buy a desktop flight simulator or PCATD and set up an IFR training program. You charge an extra, extra, high price for sim instruction (doesn't count as commercial flying) and provide yourself as a safety pilot (and don't log it) for free to the student.

You guys are making too big a thing out of this. Don't ask, don't tell...it's worked for years...
Good luck. Again, it just takes a minor incident or accident, and you'll be doing a carpet dance. Unless you got your CP's blessing, stay away from flying for cash, on or under the table.
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Old 04-20-2007, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Sanchez
...stay away from flying for cash...
All first year FOs and wanna be first year FO's (like me) are definitely taking your advice
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