If they waited until section 6 negotiations, they wouldn't be able to staff 81 CR9s, let alone another 28 CR9s, 3 CR7s and 40 CR2s

 

Mesaba signed a deal with NWA in 2005 to extend the Avros 10 years.... Two months later we were both in bankruptcy and the Avros were on their way to Ireland. Contracts are worth what your faith in the honesty and stability of the leadership and company you sign them with is. Until the general populous of this nation revolts, we are in a false reality of control.

 

For the 1-4 year guys there is a pay increase if you work more tha minimum amounts. There is long term motels for higher QOL, there is an Per deim increase, there is easier commuting rules that allows for easier upgrades and movement to line instead of reserve, there is an increase in fleet size that allows for more job security, there is more vacation, there is more sick time... that's a lot of "nothing" for the new guys.

 

The increase in fleet size is irrelevant to the discussion of this TA as that was happening before the TA. The sick time is irrelevant without the ability to utilize it more freely (such as it becoming PTO for use with FMLA for example) As for the motels... how many trips have 20+ hour layovers, (and will that apply to a reserve trip that scheduling builds last minute) and speaking of reserves.... There are significant give backs to get that 12th day off. I'm actually ok with the conversion to pay and 401K... it's the rest of the details that has me uneasy with a 7 year hook.

 

I asked about the reserve give backs in the other thread, so I won't add that here too.

In regard to the long stay hotels, here's the draft language

"A Pilot who operates a pairing which, when originally scheduled, contained a scheduled layover(s) of twenty (20) hours or greater shall be furnished lodging in the downtown area of the city served. With the approval of the MEC Hotel Committee Chairman, a hotel outside the downtown area may be selected if the hotel offers additional attractions, services, or facilities and is of comparable quality."

I would say that YES that will apply to reserves. When they are notified of the assignment, if it contains a 20 hr overnight at that point, that would be "originally scheduled". What they're trying to say with that part is if you were scheduled for 18 and then a delay pushes you to 21, the company doesn't want to have to move you hotels. I'd say that's reasonable.

As for the fleet commitment, I don't agree that's irrelevant. We've both seen announcements of airplanes coming that didn't come to be. A signed agreement that they're coming is worth a million press releases that they're coming.

 

It's still a fleet agreement for 20% fewer airframes on property than we currently have. Additional, it's only an agreement that those specific airframes, if flow for Delta Connection, must be operated by Endeavor. Nothing stopping Delta from dumping them in IGM, and allowing SkyPest to order more ERJ175's.

An agreement that has a blanket, there will be X number of hulls at 9E would be worth something. What they've agreed to, isn't worth the paper its on.

 

Hopefully I got the bold formatting right from my phone. Otherwise the reply is between the /b's above.

 

So they declare the entire fleet "operational spares" and park them in IGM... To imply that the bridge agreement gets us anything, is a joke. The 28 + 3 had already been announced.

 

Exactly, didn't we learn anything from the ATL (and a current manager in MSP) snake oil salesmen that sold us the fraud that was the SSP? Get it in writing or it doesn't exist!!!!

 

Anyone care to change their vote after confirmation we are red headed step children?