EDV worth the wait?
04-12-2018, 09:28 AM
#81
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Delta will never accept losing face by allowing all the SSP (and soon to be DGI) rejects from flowing onto the Delta list. Delta IS pushing for a flow, but basically a reboot of the ETD. Interviewed and vetted to "Delta standards" then put their time in here. ALPA can't agree to that without an ugly lawsuit from just about everyone already here so you have a basically permanent roadblock (or at least one that would last a generation)
Look at the Bleep storm that is going on just over the minimal change in standby priority. Could you imagine the uproar by the old guard if Endeavor (or anyone else) were just "gifted" a job at the mighty Delta?
If you want a flow, go to the American regionals.
Look at the Bleep storm that is going on just over the minimal change in standby priority. Could you imagine the uproar by the old guard if Endeavor (or anyone else) were just "gifted" a job at the mighty Delta?
If you want a flow, go to the American regionals.
04-13-2018, 04:07 PM
#82
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
If I think they've still got some sort of deficiency after training, as a Captain my job is to provide them mentoring and instruction and if I think that's insufficient, I guess I'd need to go to Pro Standards or fill out a New Hire assessment with my concerns.
Those new hire assessments are management's attempt to bypass Professional Standards. I know when I was a new hire, the ACP would read the CA's comments to me during the quarterly meetings... "Captain Joe Schmoe said that you handled a crosswind landing into Dulles" or "Captain whoever said you did good here or there".
So as a captain, there is no way that I am writing anything negative about any pilot on that new hire assessment. If I think of something the FO can improve on, I'll tell him/her. If for some reason my instruction and guidance isn't sufficient, and I think the issue still needs to be addressed, I'll go to pro standards. I'm NOT writing a comment to management telling them...that's for sure.
04-13-2018, 05:01 PM
#83
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Originally Posted by clueless
Agree, but only partially...
Those new hire assessments are management's attempt to bypass Professional Standards. I know when I was a new hire, the ACP would read the CA's comments to me during the quarterly meetings... "Captain Joe Schmoe said that you handled a crosswind landing into Dulles" or "Captain whoever said you did good here or there".
So as a captain, there is no way that I am writing anything negative about any pilot on that new hire assessment. If I think of something the FO can improve on, I'll tell him/her. If for some reason my instruction and guidance isn't sufficient, and I think the issue still needs to be addressed, I'll go to pro standards. I'm NOT writing a comment to management telling them...that's for sure.
Those new hire assessments are management's attempt to bypass Professional Standards. I know when I was a new hire, the ACP would read the CA's comments to me during the quarterly meetings... "Captain Joe Schmoe said that you handled a crosswind landing into Dulles" or "Captain whoever said you did good here or there".
So as a captain, there is no way that I am writing anything negative about any pilot on that new hire assessment. If I think of something the FO can improve on, I'll tell him/her. If for some reason my instruction and guidance isn't sufficient, and I think the issue still needs to be addressed, I'll go to pro standards. I'm NOT writing a comment to management telling them...that's for sure.
04-13-2018, 06:22 PM
#84
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Originally Posted by clueless
Agree, but only partially...
Those new hire assessments are management's attempt to bypass Professional Standards. I know when I was a new hire, the ACP would read the CA's comments to me during the quarterly meetings... "Captain Joe Schmoe said that you handled a crosswind landing into Dulles" or "Captain whoever said you did good here or there".
So as a captain, there is no way that I am writing anything negative about any pilot on that new hire assessment. If I think of something the FO can improve on, I'll tell him/her. If for some reason my instruction and guidance isn't sufficient, and I think the issue still needs to be addressed, I'll go to pro standards. I'm NOT writing a comment to management telling them...that's for sure.
Those new hire assessments are management's attempt to bypass Professional Standards. I know when I was a new hire, the ACP would read the CA's comments to me during the quarterly meetings... "Captain Joe Schmoe said that you handled a crosswind landing into Dulles" or "Captain whoever said you did good here or there".
So as a captain, there is no way that I am writing anything negative about any pilot on that new hire assessment. If I think of something the FO can improve on, I'll tell him/her. If for some reason my instruction and guidance isn't sufficient, and I think the issue still needs to be addressed, I'll go to pro standards. I'm NOT writing a comment to management telling them...that's for sure.
04-14-2018, 05:02 AM
#85
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
I guess I've been lucky. I haven't had any FO's I thought I needed to go to Pro Standards or fill out a bad new hire assessment for. As such I guess I hadn't really considered it but you're right, probably better to just do Pro Standards vs the new hire assessment for the reasons mentioned.
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04-14-2018, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
When I was on probation I flew with a CA that was a complete dick. Bitter to the end, hated life, divorced X times, blah blah blah. When I got my reviews I had like a dozen glowing ones and one from that guy where he attacked me personally. Not a word about my flying, my personality. I literally laughed.
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04-14-2018, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
When I was on probation I flew with a CA that was a complete dick. Bitter to the end, hated life, divorced X times, blah blah blah. When I got my reviews I had like a dozen glowing ones and one from that guy where he attacked me personally. Not a word about my flying, my personality. I literally laughed
I read a quote once, 96% of people in work are decent, some more or less, and everyone has an off day every now and then. Then their are 4% of the people you run into that are a s—-head. I have found that is about the right ratio.
04-14-2018, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
When I was on probation I flew with a CA that was a complete dick. Bitter to the end, hated life, divorced X times, blah blah blah. When I got my reviews I had like a dozen glowing ones and one from that guy where he attacked me personally. Not a word about my flying, my personality. I literally laughed.
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I would have loved to see the company keep the union mentoring program ideas instead now management yellow lanyard hat police. Yellow for cowardice.
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