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Countdown till somebody comes out with "they're not paying me to study flows on my own time out of training"

Flogger

This is an imperfect business, as are all businesses. Grow up.

It is possible to get a completely raw deal in training, but it generally occurs when a marginal trainee just so happens to encounter a marginal training situation. Don't be marginal and none of this will negatively affect you. Be marginal-well then maybe you shouldn't be in this biz?

Sheeeet happens. Perhaps you could have been the cause of this delay? Medical problems? Family issues? Both are common. This could have been on you and it would be on you to rise up and overcome. That's the biz.

The only finisher medal in this race is seniority, otherwise it is a bit of a meritocracy. In this biz you will come to work with personal issues and you will get slammed by stupid company issues. You can be a whiny beeeech about it or you can overcome.

There are quite a few folks reading your posts who have been in this biz for a bit. Every single one of them has seen and been in your situation. Learn from their experience and take their advice; chill out, take a paid vacay, stay fresh on procedures and callouts best you can, practice initializing the FMS best you can, etc, etc.

Don't show up for OE with an attitude of "I'm rusty and it's the company's fault". And don't go into a consolidation ride with that attitude either.

Just about everyone in the training department is great, but they have been thru the merger and bankruptcy and many have been double turned down by Delta and they know you have been handed a great opportunity which they have been denied by the vagaries of time and FAA decisions. They don't wanna hear you beeeech about a paid vacation.

And neither do I. Peace out and good luck. Now go non-rev to some beach and run thru Quizlet while sipping a drink with a little umbrella in it.

PotatoChip

Just going to play the devil's advocate here.
I was far from marginal and it took them almost nine months to get me through training (six months through FO, and an additional three for captain). I had multiple six week stints of doing absolutely nothing with no explanation or projected times from the company. At one point after finishing MT-5, we were given six weeks off, and then told to do the MV, hahaha. Perhaps a warm up or two?

And I'm sorry, if one more person tells me that sitting on FO guarantee is a "paid vacation" I might lose it. Guess what? We're not all 22 year olds with no responsibilities. Some of us have mortgages, car payments, and families and were counting on working. I was on no vacation. I had to take a second job to keep the family afloat and pay for things like, you know, food to live.

Just for another perspective. And yes, some people are marginal, or worse. I've flown with them. Quite frankly, there have been some applicants who should be sent to pasture before so much money and time is invested in them.

theUpsideDown

Just another perspective, i was here the last time this happened and the fos made 25 bucks an hour, sat for 6 months, some had to repeat ioe because the company scrrwed up two ioe instructors so bad 3 months of ioe work were wiped out.

Those FOs got second jobs as cfis and other jobs. One worked at a target in msp because he didnt want to go back to cfi'ing and when the bankruptcy hit he went back to Target as a manager making more than his bankruptcy FO wages.

If it's that bad get a second job.

Enjoy the vacation, no one cares how tough guarantee is on you here.

Mesabah

I disagree, every moment he sits, is another moment longer to get to mainline. As Delta gets younger and younger, it's all that more important. Pilots these days have it much easier, since it's easy to stay motivated for a few years, rather than others who had to sit through the lost decade.

I saw this coming years ago, which is why I semi-walked away from this business.

FollowCompanyRJ

Perhaps your assumptions are wrong. I finished training without a single repeat and did not cause any other of my own delays, despite subpar CAE instruction from someone that has never flown a CRJ and didn’t know endeavor procedures (MV was fun).

And yeah, keep saying seniority is the prize here. Raise your hand if the goal of your career is to get seniority at a regional. Yeah...I didn’t think so.

There are quite a few folks in the biz currently that are *****ing about a lot more than I am. Despite that, you don’t know my background or experience in this industry and none of that changes the facts.

I was not on a paid vacation. As you all have said I am expected to maintain knowledge which I did by doing weekly jumpseats and cockpit poster flow practice, occasionally with my sim partner. Min pay is great, not great enough to spend 10 weeks at the beach. You’re an idiot if you think that’s how all these guys are spending their “time off” despite still having the stress of being in training on them.

Blueskies21

The Company is hiring Line Check Pilots on the 200 like gangbusters.

The Union and the Company signed an LOA to do first in - first out training to try to eliminate the rogue 6 week sits waiting for sim time.

The training delay problem is in the process of being solved, we're all sorry that you got caught up in it but for those guys who were part of the lost decade, listening to you complain about stagnation or delays while on guarantee making twice what we did is difficult.

If the steps the Company and Union are taking to reduce the training delays aren't enough for you, you can always pull the ripcord and go to XYZ regional. You'll make 20-30 an hour less, get junior manned and then force upgraded but MAYBE you'll make it to a major sooner.

Only time will tell.

FollowCompanyRJ

No they’re not. I talked to Chief Wychor and another LCA last week. In fact they’re thinking about reducing the number of LCA on the 200. Email him if you doubt me. You need to get your facts straight.

EDVPLT

You should go read your EDV Fastread from June 18th, if you were even on property. The company is paying a few LCAs who were suppose go move to the 900 to stay on the 200. They get 900 payrates and all their trips come from buying off Captains and FOs. So they are doing something and spending a lot of money doing it. They currently also have LCPs in training which is a long process but I would imagine when a few of these guys get online it will get better.

Someone screwed up this summer for sure on the 200 and dropped the ball but I really don’t know what coming on this forum arguing with anyone is gonna do for you.

Shadre Reevis

The truth is easy to find, just look in your bid packages. In June there were 15 LCAs on the 200. September there are 22. That's an increase of 47%. Maybe stop speaking from emotion with hearsay, and instead use facts to support your argument