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Lenticularis 04-07-2019 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by darkman62 (Post 2798114)
I don’t think there is a lack of professionalism, I think it maybe a lack of caring after we have given the best possible performance to DL and they want more and have not given anything in return. I am not drinking from the same blue koolaide. At one time held the same do it all for the company attitude, then the reality of life sunk in that at the end of the day it’s all profits and we are not a family. So if I don’t tote the company line do not say I am unprofessional. I am a realist and know my place in the pecking order. I am sure some day you will remove your rose colored glasses and see the same thing


You are making choices based upon unrealistic expectations. Delta owes you nothing beyond contractual obligations. They have contracted you to do a job. Profits from that contract are obliged to shareholders. If you go through this career as I’ll do it like I always have cause I’m safe,and I’m always on time. You are missing the keys to a fantastic future, possibly putting yourself in jeopardy. Guess what? It ain’t about you. Try some servitude and professionalism and you might get out of a regional. What an emotional rollercoaster you display. I know they don’t teach how to be mature in ground school but you need to learn it somewhere.

Mesabah 04-07-2019 01:28 PM

Years ago, at the old company, we had a crew distracted by a single engine taxi wander onto an active runway with an aircraft taking off. If that had resulted in an accident, would the FAA have come down on SET?

TalkTurkey 04-07-2019 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Lenticularis (Post 2798169)
You are making choices based upon unrealistic expectations. Delta owes you nothing beyond contractual obligations. They have contracted you to do a job. Profits from that contract are obliged to shareholders. If you go through this career as I’ll do it like I always have cause I’m safe,and I’m always on time. You are missing the keys to a fantastic future, possibly putting yourself in jeopardy. Guess what? It ain’t about you. Try some servitude and professionalism and you might get out of a regional. What an emotional rollercoaster you display. I know they don’t teach how to be mature in ground school but you need to learn it somewhere.

Well said. I second this statement.

TalkTurkey 04-07-2019 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2798258)
Years ago, at the old company, we had a crew distracted by a single engine taxi wander onto an active runway with an aircraft taking off. If that had resulted in an accident, would the FAA have come down on SET?

Also, mainline averages one attempted takeoff with only one engine running, per year. I can kind of see that other person’s point but perhaps he was a bit extreme. Point taken though, distractions definitely clip wings.

Fourpaw 04-07-2019 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by Lenticularis (Post 2798169)
You are making choices based upon unrealistic expectations. Delta owes you nothing beyond contractual obligations. They have contracted you to do a job. Profits from that contract are obliged to shareholders. If you go through this career as I’ll do it like I always have cause I’m safe,and I’m always on time. You are missing the keys to a fantastic future, possibly putting yourself in jeopardy. Guess what? It ain’t about you. Try some servitude and professionalism and you might get out of a regional. What an emotional rollercoaster you display. I know they don’t teach how to be mature in ground school but you need to learn it somewhere.

Someone has been reading their Delta rules of the road! Kudos to you. You are a gentleman AND a scholar.

theUpsideDown 04-07-2019 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Fourpaw (Post 2798314)
Someone has been reading their Delta rules of the road! Kudos to you. You are a gentleman AND a scholar.

Theyre in the swa study material too, been in there since the 80s though.

Green Needles 04-07-2019 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Lenticularis (Post 2798169)
Try some servitude

You forgot the word "indentured" :D

msprj2 04-07-2019 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2798258)
Years ago, at the old company, we had a crew distracted by a single engine taxi wander onto an active runway with an aircraft taking off. If that had resulted in an accident, would the FAA have come down on SET?

Is SET apu off taxi in or out?

Blueskies21 04-07-2019 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2798290)
Also, mainline averages one attempted takeoff with only one engine running, per year. I can kind of see that other person’s point but perhaps he was a bit extreme. Point taken though, distractions definitely clip wings.

At least that won't be a problem for us, "Takeoff Config OK" includes both engines running as a criteria for posting the advisory message.

The MD-88 takeoff config warning does not include that. It presupposes that the pilot has verified both engines are running and you'd like to check all of the other system configurations.

2dubs 04-07-2019 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2798258)
Years ago, at the old company, we had a crew distracted by a single engine taxi wander onto an active runway with an aircraft taking off. If that had resulted in an accident, would the FAA have come down on SET?

Remember sir back in the day the captain did all the engine starts, so I guess someone not paying attention to taxiing the airplane while ensuring a proper start could lead to a taxi mishap. Having said that on the 900 there is absolutely no difference between starting an engine with the APU while taxiing and starting the engine via a cross bleed. The Captain focuses on taxiing FO starts the engine. :eek:

I know for a very very short period a cross bleed start was preferred. However, too many pilots were forgetting to bump the thrust on the operating engine to 67+% N2 but instead starting the engine at flight idle. The engine trends were coming back with higher than normal temps 700deg+ on the starts.

If you guys are correct and the proper method for a cross bleed start is to bring the aircraft to a dead stop, alert the A380 behind you that hey look out I am doing a cross bleed start, which BTW requires less thrust than it takes to taxi the aircraft on one engine than someone in the flight department needs to get out an fly the line a little more because that policy is plane stupid.:mad:


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