Is the Delta 'Propel' age discrimination?
05-21-2019, 06:52 PM
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Is the Delta 'Propel' age discrimination?
How can a company tie a job offer qualification to a stage in a candidates career?
Seems completely ridiculous for a company that strives to be inclusive to openly discriminate against adults.
Seems completely ridiculous for a company that strives to be inclusive to openly discriminate against adults.
Age Discrimination & Work Situations
The law prohibits discrimination in any aspect of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, layoff, training, benefits, and any other term or condition of employment.
Age Discrimination & Employment Policies/Practices
An employment policy or practice that applies to everyone, regardless of age, can be illegal if it has a negative impact on applicants or employees age 40 or older and is not based on a reasonable factor other than age (RFOA).
The law prohibits discrimination in any aspect of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, layoff, training, benefits, and any other term or condition of employment.
Age Discrimination & Employment Policies/Practices
An employment policy or practice that applies to everyone, regardless of age, can be illegal if it has a negative impact on applicants or employees age 40 or older and is not based on a reasonable factor other than age (RFOA).
05-21-2019, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
How can a company tie a job offer qualification to a stage in a candidates career?
Seems completely ridiculous for a company that strives to be inclusive to discriminate against adults.
Seems completely ridiculous for a company that strives to be inclusive to discriminate against adults.
05-21-2019, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They've been doing that for a while.. punishing an entire generation for lack of career progression while they were stuck doing DCI flying for 15 years.
Factor 5., here the EEOC wants to see employers engage in a “balancing test” of sorts – weighing the degree of harm on applicants and/or employees who are age 40 or older with the available options for reducing this harm while still achieving the employer’s legitimate business objective for the practice at issue without unduly burdening the employer’s business.
05-21-2019, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
How can a company tie a job offer qualification to a stage in a candidates career?
Propel folks could even completely steer clear of 9E if they'd like. If they're wise, then they probably will.
05-21-2019, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
Good question. Ask Delta. It's not a 9E program.
Propel folks could even completely steer clear of 9E if they'd like. If they're wise, then they probably will.
Propel folks could even completely steer clear of 9E if they'd like. If they're wise, then they probably will.
05-22-2019, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
How can a company tie a job offer qualification to a stage in a candidates career?
Seems completely ridiculous for a company that strives to be inclusive to openly discriminate against adults.
Seems completely ridiculous for a company that strives to be inclusive to openly discriminate against adults.
I do know a gentleman who is older who went back to an aviation college full as an adult student and got picked up by the Propel program.
As far as the DGI vs Propel thing, it sucks but Propel came to be because Delta wasn’t happy with the quality of a large number of the pool of applicants that it has. If I remember correctly, about 5000 of them were deemed unhireable (work history, criminal history, GPA, checkride busts etc.) and instead of lowering the Delta Standard they elected to grow their own acceptable pool of applicants to maintain quality.
It’s really a genius move on Delta’s part. The Propel program terms gives them the ability to stop a candidates accession after they’ve completed all program recruitments if they don’t pass the final Delta review, without the company being responsible for the program costs for the applicants. Wins all around for Delta Air Lines.
05-22-2019, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix21
Where is there a published age limit? I honestly looked through the material and couldn’t find one, for either the collegiate, employee or advanced Propel program.
I do know a gentleman who is older who went back to an aviation college full as an adult student and got picked up by the Propel program.
As far as the DGI vs Propel thing, it sucks but Propel came to be because Delta wasn’t happy with the quality of a large number of the pool of applicants that it has. If I remember correctly, about 5000 of them were deemed unhireable (work history, criminal history, GPA, checkride busts etc.) and instead of lowering the Delta Standard they elected to grow their own acceptable pool of applicants to maintain quality.
It’s really a genius move on Delta’s part. The Propel program terms gives them the ability to stop a candidates accession after they’ve completed all program recruitments if they don’t pass the final Delta review, without the company being responsible for the program costs for the applicants. Wins all around for Delta Air Lines.
I do know a gentleman who is older who went back to an aviation college full as an adult student and got picked up by the Propel program.
As far as the DGI vs Propel thing, it sucks but Propel came to be because Delta wasn’t happy with the quality of a large number of the pool of applicants that it has. If I remember correctly, about 5000 of them were deemed unhireable (work history, criminal history, GPA, checkride busts etc.) and instead of lowering the Delta Standard they elected to grow their own acceptable pool of applicants to maintain quality.
It’s really a genius move on Delta’s part. The Propel program terms gives them the ability to stop a candidates accession after they’ve completed all program recruitments if they don’t pass the final Delta review, without the company being responsible for the program costs for the applicants. Wins all around for Delta Air Lines.
Oh, and no one is discriminating against you, me, he or she, young or old. Do your job, focus on the things you can control. This ride is far too short to worry about anything else.
05-22-2019, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason
Anyone who questions the validity of Propel needs to re-read this response. Spot. On. Propel is not a golden ticket.
Oh, and no one is discriminating against you, me, he or she, young or old. Do your job, focus on the things you can control. This ride is far too short to worry about anything else.
Oh, and no one is discriminating against you, me, he or she, young or old. Do your job, focus on the things you can control. This ride is far too short to worry about anything else.
Originally Posted by Phoenix21
Where is there a published age limit? I honestly looked through the material and couldn’t find one, for either the collegiate, employee or advanced Propel program.
I do know a gentleman who is older who went back to an aviation college full as an adult student and got picked up by the Propel program.
As far as the DGI vs Propel thing, it sucks but Propel came to be because Delta wasn’t happy with the quality of a large number of the pool of applicants that it has. If I remember correctly, about 5000 of them were deemed unhireable (work history, criminal history, GPA, checkride busts etc.) and instead of lowering the Delta Standard they elected to grow their own acceptable pool of applicants to maintain quality.
It’s really a genius move on Delta’s part. The Propel program terms gives them the ability to stop a candidates accession after they’ve completed all program recruitments if they don’t pass the final Delta review, without the company being responsible for the program costs for the applicants. Wins all around for Delta Air Lines.
I do know a gentleman who is older who went back to an aviation college full as an adult student and got picked up by the Propel program.
As far as the DGI vs Propel thing, it sucks but Propel came to be because Delta wasn’t happy with the quality of a large number of the pool of applicants that it has. If I remember correctly, about 5000 of them were deemed unhireable (work history, criminal history, GPA, checkride busts etc.) and instead of lowering the Delta Standard they elected to grow their own acceptable pool of applicants to maintain quality.
It’s really a genius move on Delta’s part. The Propel program terms gives them the ability to stop a candidates accession after they’ve completed all program recruitments if they don’t pass the final Delta review, without the company being responsible for the program costs for the applicants. Wins all around for Delta Air Lines.
These peeps get it. Propel is one of many ways to get to Delta. They will never put all of their eggs into one hiring basket.
As for discrimination, I think even 9E ALPA would shut the door to that conversation. My guess is this alleged forthcoming memo opposing the program has more to do with negotiating leverage than anything. In that respect, 9E ALPA would oppose any program of a similar nature on those grounds.
The hiring demographics of the Propel pilots seems to be trending very close to the OTS candidates. All colors, binary genders, and a good age range are represented.
Interestingly, the older candidates (I’ve personally not met anyone over 40 who has been accepted) tend to be chasing second careers or have a military background and are using GI money at the partner universities.
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