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Old 11-22-2019, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin View Post
I’m a captain on these planes. If you are roasting people in the back fo stay warm you are not doing it right.
I agree. Duct temp people. Unless he's talking about with the door open during boarding. That I agree with. Pretty hard to keep it warm up front without cooking ppl in the back with the main door open. Closing the flight deck door helps.

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Old 11-22-2019, 02:57 PM
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I agree. Duct temp people. Unless he's talking about with the door open during boarding. That I agree with. Pretty hard to keep it warm up front without cooking ppl in the back with the main door open. Closing the flight deck door helps.

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Agreed. This is very true. Galley heater helps a little too unless it’s on MEL.
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield View Post
The issue is that in order to get the cockpit warm in most 700s and 900s, you have to roast the people the back. Your choices are:

1. Freeze
2. Have the FA call you multiple times because it's too hot in the back
3. Bring more layers
What?! I thought the “nine” was perfect??
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Old 11-23-2019, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield View Post
The issue is that in order to get the cockpit warm in most 700s and 900s, you have to roast the people the back. Your choices are:

1. Freeze
2. Have the FA call you multiple times because it's too hot in the back
3. Bring more layers
I hate being that jackwad but here's the fix. Is the same fix to make sure the back isn't 10000F in cruise. Open your vents. I know the air blowing out is cold. Let it blow cold, in 30 seconds or less it'll burn like a hair dryer. Every problem with the 900 ecs is tied to the captain and FO not opening those giant air vents because the lines are cold soaked for the first 10-30 seconds of blowing. If captains can additionally point their air vent down (chest level, not to the floor) and to the left so the air wraps around you and blows around to the temp sensor behind you on the floor you're gonna be shocked how quickly the temp regulates in back. Leave the ecs screen up, do what I said, wait 120 seconds, the temp in the cockpit will raise or lower (whichever you were trying to do) in earnest. The sensor will essentially come up to a normal temperature and then the ecs will start blowing colder or warmer air depending what you were trying to do beforehand.

Left pack off for all door open ops (boarding). If it's 15f or less outside keep the cockpit door closed as much as possible during boarding with the left pack off. Additionally, it's not approved anymore (when I was there) , but run in manual mode at about 30c on left pack on if it starts getting Montana or Canada cold. It keep you from death.

Keep the left pack off with your air vents open in cockpit until after engine start during pushback and you won't get dragons breath in the back of airplane.

Alternatively keep making it awful for passengers and flight attendants in the back.
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Old 11-23-2019, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown View Post
I hate being that jackwad but here's the fix. Is the same fix to make sure the back isn't 10000F in cruise. Open your vents. I know the air blowing out is cold. Let it blow cold, in 30 seconds or less it'll burn like a hair dryer. Every problem with the 900 ecs is tied to the captain and FO not opening those giant air vents because the lines are cold soaked for the first 10-30 seconds of blowing. If captains can additionally point their air vent down (chest level, not to the floor) and to the left so the air wraps around you and blows around to the temp sensor behind you on the floor you're gonna be shocked how quickly the temp regulates in back. Leave the ecs screen up, do what I said, wait 120 seconds, the temp in the cockpit will raise or lower (whichever you were trying to do) in earnest. The sensor will essentially come up to a normal temperature and then the ecs will start blowing colder or warmer air depending what you were trying to do beforehand.



Left pack off for all door open ops (boarding). If it's 15f or less outside keep the cockpit door closed as much as possible during boarding with the left pack off. Additionally, it's not approved anymore (when I was there) , but run in manual mode at about 30c on left pack on if it starts getting Montana or Canada cold. It keep you from death.



Keep the left pack off with your air vents open in cockpit until after engine start during pushback and you won't get dragons breath in the back of airplane.



Alternatively keep making it awful for passengers and flight attendants in the back.
I too liked the manual mode use but man did I see captains forget it about it and it start to run away. Nice tips though

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Old 11-23-2019, 06:25 AM
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Isn’t it a bit bold to be publicly saying that the company is violating the FARs just to take part in a grand conspiracy in the chief pilot’s office... have you even met said CP before you decided you disliked her? I’ve heard plenty of rumors/stories about her personality and frankly none of them were accurate when I met this person.
Maybe you’re a bad judge of character?
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Old 11-23-2019, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest View Post
I too liked the manual mode use but man did I see captains forget it about it and it start to run away. Nice tips though

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Yeah if you don't go back to auto and your pushing pack in and out its sans protection and that's a good way to blow a pack. Of course the rj pack will fault to super hot, so the rear FA will think everything is fine.
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Old 11-23-2019, 06:30 PM
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Maybe you’re a bad judge of character?
Nailed it. I can’t believe I didn’t recognize how evil this CP was through those malicious emails she sent me approving PLV for a family issue or when she rudely had a conversation with me about a problem I was having with crew scheduling and went out of her way to fix what was going on. Indeed she should have no right in telling crewmembers that they need to follow the FOM in respect to uniform compliance.
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown View Post
I hate being that jackwad but here's the fix. Is the same fix to make sure the back isn't 10000F in cruise. Open your vents. I know the air blowing out is cold. Let it blow cold, in 30 seconds or less it'll burn like a hair dryer. Every problem with the 900 ecs is tied to the captain and FO not opening those giant air vents because the lines are cold soaked for the first 10-30 seconds of blowing. If captains can additionally point their air vent down (chest level, not to the floor) and to the left so the air wraps around you and blows around to the temp sensor behind you on the floor you're gonna be shocked how quickly the temp regulates in back. Leave the ecs screen up, do what I said, wait 120 seconds, the temp in the cockpit will raise or lower (whichever you were trying to do) in earnest. The sensor will essentially come up to a normal temperature and then the ecs will start blowing colder or warmer air depending what you were trying to do beforehand.

Left pack off for all door open ops (boarding). If it's 15f or less outside keep the cockpit door closed as much as possible during boarding with the left pack off. Additionally, it's not approved anymore (when I was there) , but run in manual mode at about 30c on left pack on if it starts getting Montana or Canada cold. It keep you from death.

Keep the left pack off with your air vents open in cockpit until after engine start during pushback and you won't get dragons breath in the back of airplane.

Alternatively keep making it awful for passengers and flight attendants in the back.
I know how to use both packs in Auto, ice cold outside, and not smoke out the back. Just saying. Lol. And yes, gaspers open is part of it.

Match left pack output temp to the actual temp. If actual temp goes below 15, you’re options are to close the cockpit door or shut off the pack.
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Old 11-29-2019, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ASAPsafetyGUY View Post
Match left pack output temp to the actual temp. If actual temp goes below 15, you’re options are to close the cockpit door or shut off the pack.
Did you mean match the selected temp to the actual?
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