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10-06-2022, 04:03 PM

#81

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Originally Posted by PadraicPearse

Yeah, that's pretty standard in every ALPA contract. However, from what I was told, PSA "Senior Manned" their FOs into the left seat. Which, if you think about it, would work pretty well for our flow. To flow you've got to be a captain and to have the time to qualify for an upgrade you need somethingplus hours in the right seat. In other words, a system like that accelerates both flow and the accumulation of right seat time at the bottom of the seniority list, and therefore, more qualified captains overall.

I'll put money on it, I bet that's the sticking point. It's why we haven't heard anything yet from negotiations. If it were just more money they were offering then we would know by now.

If people wanted to be captains they'd have become captains

10-06-2022, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeferralsRUs

If people wanted to be captains they'd have become captains

And not everyone SHOULD be a captain. But they are just fine as FO.

10-06-2022, 07:31 PM

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IMO someone who can’t hack it as captain can’t hack it as an FO. I fully expect either person up front to fly the plane in worst case scenario. Gear throwers have no place in a 121 cockpit.

10-07-2022, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotBases

IMO someone who can’t hack it as captain can’t hack it as an FO. I fully expect either person up front to fly the plane in worst case scenario. Gear throwers have no place in a 121 cockpit.

This is a pretty terrible black and white argument. CA skills are not just flying skills. They are management and people skills. Some pilots are great pilots but have terrible management and people skills.

10-07-2022, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pangolin

Then they can stick to Microsoft flight simulator.

10-07-2022, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotBases

Then they can stick to Microsoft flight simulator.

But should not leave their mommy’s basement.

10-07-2022, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotBases

Then they can stick to Microsoft flight simulator.

Get back at it then. Cause U B 1.

10-07-2022, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pangolin

Get back at it then. Cause U B 1.

I fully understand that plenty can fly but not manage the rest, I just would like any 121 pilot to be comfortable to shoulder the PIC burden, that’s all.

10-07-2022, 06:12 PM

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I fully understand that plenty can fly but not manage the rest, I just would like any 121 pilot to be comfortable to shoulder the PIC burden, that’s all.

Yes. I agree with that sentiment.

10-07-2022, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotBases

I fully understand that plenty can fly but not manage the rest, I just would like any 121 pilot to be comfortable to shoulder the PIC burden, that’s all.

My point is, some people know their limitations. Some just aren’t meant to be a leader. Or don’t want to be a leader. But they are perfectly capable pilots. Just like every police officer might not want to be a detective, or every doctor might not want to be a surgeon. Not every pilot wants to be a Captain.