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Spoilers 06-27-2013 03:52 PM

Good Luck with Gumm!
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One Up 06-27-2013 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by beech1980 (Post 1432269)
He shut down comair.... He was at delta private jets a month and most of that time he was on vacation.... He's ruthless and will sell off the "new pinnacle" or shut down within two years... He has a bad track record as in the eyes of a pilot. Sad to say this. Oh well.

Similar to how S.M. was brought in for the BK process? It's like going to the bullpen to bring in the situational pitcher.

Bartok 06-27-2013 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1435688)
Pinnacle drove itself into bankruptcy through mismanagement. Stop blaming Delta. Why should Delta pay to retrain BOS-based Colgan pilots flying US Airways Express aircraft to go fly a Q400 aircraft for United Express? Delta has no interest in paying to keep their competition going.

You're clueless Shy.

The Pinnacle-Mesaba-Colgan debacle was well orchestrated by one of the best in the business: Richard Anderson.

This was a play to create a subset of Delta to lower costs and create a buffer of pilots.

We were put through a brutal bankruptcy and a direct threat from Anderson that we will sign or go out of business.

Well it worked. Anderson is ruthlessly efficient at what he does. If Delta pilots have trouble keeping up with his maneuvering, do you think we really had a chance?

Look over there Shy, a Colgan guy. Go kick him!

Bartok 06-27-2013 07:04 PM

And on the subject of Gumm, he's no different than anyone else they put in there.

Big Richard is driving this boat.

Redbird611 06-27-2013 07:05 PM

Better than the other options, but still awkward as a "logo". You can't really use it by itself like the DL widget, UA globe, AA eagle (flight symbol now, I guess), or even the previous 9E mountain CFIT. It also requires the wordmark to use an awful lot of vertical space. Then again, nobody really sees regional branding except on stationary or internal websites, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

Noseeums 06-27-2013 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1435876)
You're clueless Shy.

The Pinnacle-Mesaba-Colgan debacle was well orchestrated by one of the best in the business: Richard Anderson.

This was a play to create a subset of Delta to lower costs and create a buffer of pilots.

We were put through a brutal bankruptcy and a direct threat from Anderson that we will sign or go out of business.

Well it worked. Anderson is ruthlessly efficient at what he does. If Delta pilots have trouble keeping up with his maneuvering, do you think we really had a chance?

Look over there Shy, a Colgan guy. Go kick him!

lol wow. See a psychologist.

spuzzyair 06-27-2013 09:40 PM

If you polish a turd, its still a turd.

Good luck with Captain Spooldown aka. Gumm.

ShyGuy 06-28-2013 12:00 AM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1435876)
You're clueless Shy.

The Pinnacle-Mesaba-Colgan debacle was well orchestrated by one of the best in the business: Richard Anderson.

This was a play to create a subset of Delta to lower costs and create a buffer of pilots.

We were put through a brutal bankruptcy and a direct threat from Anderson that we will sign or go out of business.

Well it worked. Anderson is ruthlessly efficient at what he does. If Delta pilots have trouble keeping up with his maneuvering, do you think we really had a chance?

Look over there Shy, a Colgan guy. Go kick him!

You are the one that is clueless. When Pinnacle purchased Colgan, Anderson was still NWA and there was no NWA-Delta hookup. 9E was then screwed when Phil T grew Colgan with Qs (non-union of course) while 9E pilots took downgrades and displacements. Phil T underbid the Q contracts. Next, to get his foot in the door with Delta, Phil T underbid 16 CRJ-900s with Delta in ATL. Anderson did NOTHING here. Then, several years later, 9E corp bought Mesaba with a 'sweetened' deal by Delta. Another dumb move, XJ was already shrinking and parking their entire Saab fleet. 3 dozen planes to be removed and they still bought them. A smarter management wouldn't have. SkyWest, for example: they did not touch Pinnacle or Mesaba. So now 9E had a bunch of Saabs being parked and a bunch of pilots who needed left seats and right seats in RJs. Huge problem, because they are XJ and 9E was still 9E. How's that operational certificate thing coming? Oh yeah that was totally screwed up, and I suppose that's Anderson's fault too? I remember when the SLI came out and it was *literally* every man bid and get whatever you want. ***. They didn't even have an operational merger (fenced vs unfenced) and yet guys are already bidding off the Saabs and Qs into CRJ900s. Another dumb mistake, allowed by the JCBA, and the union went with it. 9E went into BK because of many other screw-ups, all those mentioned above. Delta not paying a contractual fee (because again, 9E was misappropriating training meant for DCI pilots) was only one small reason in the overall picture.

You had a choice, you could have voted no. Gumm isn't there to ensure 9E's long term survival. He has a precedence of going to places to shut them down.

Gearswinger 06-28-2013 03:29 AM


I remember when the SLI came out and it was *literally* every man bid and get whatever you want.
That explains why I'm a 900 Captain now. My goodness, you are clueless, please make something else up, Shy, you are the biggest joke on here. Do you have a life outside of posting on here? What exactly drives someone to leave a company then spend their life stalking forums for them?

MrMustache 06-28-2013 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1435957)
You are the one that is clueless. When Pinnacle purchased Colgan, Anderson was still NWA and there was no NWA-Delta hookup. 9E was then screwed when Phil T grew Colgan with Qs (non-union of course) while 9E pilots took downgrades and displacements. Phil T underbid the Q contracts. Next, to get his foot in the door with Delta, Phil T underbid 16 CRJ-900s with Delta in ATL. Anderson did NOTHING here. Then, several years later, 9E corp bought Mesaba with a 'sweetened' deal by Delta. Another dumb move, XJ was already shrinking and parking their entire Saab fleet. 3 dozen planes to be removed and they still bought them. A smarter management wouldn't have. SkyWest, for example: they did not touch Pinnacle or Mesaba. So now 9E had a bunch of Saabs being parked and a bunch of pilots who needed left seats and right seats in RJs. Huge problem, because they are XJ and 9E was still 9E. How's that operational certificate thing coming? Oh yeah that was totally screwed up, and I suppose that's Anderson's fault too? I remember when the SLI came out and it was *literally* every man bid and get whatever you want. ***. They didn't even have an operational merger (fenced vs unfenced) and yet guys are already bidding off the Saabs and Qs into CRJ900s. Another dumb mistake, allowed by the JCBA, and the union went with it. 9E went into BK because of many other screw-ups, all those mentioned above. Delta not paying a contractual fee (because again, 9E was misappropriating training meant for DCI pilots) was only one small reason in the overall picture.

You had a choice, you could have voted no. Gumm isn't there to ensure 9E's long term survival. He has a precedence of going to places to shut them down.


2 things.

1. You have no idea if Skywest tried to buy Mesaba or not.
2. Kissing Delta's butt on here isn't going to help your cause. You're still Shyguy. ;)


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