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Ftrooppilot 06-28-2013 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1436043)
You are delusional if you think they care about any of that, especially since you are just monday morning quarter backing from reading articles on the internet. You have no clue what is going on.

Monday morning quarterbacking - I would call it half decent management analysis/ predictions rather then "after the fact" statements.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post1326427

MrMustache 06-28-2013 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot (Post 1436211)
Monday morning quarterbacking - I would call it half decent management analysis/ predictions rather then "after the fact" statements.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post1326427

Your predictions were ones EVERYBODY actually involved with the airline already knew would happen, yet you feel you know what you are talking about, again based on your "analysis" of online articles. Notice how no one ever commented on your timeline of events or your reminiscing of what you "claimed" as your own predictions that ended up happening? Also the one thing in this industry that everyone should know is just because it makes sense doesn't mean it will happen.

ShyGuy 06-28-2013 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1436201)
I saw him at the grocery store last week in his Pinnacle uniform on his day off trying to pick up the Deli chick.

Deli chic? My standards are a little higher. I only hit on the pharmacist chics at the department stores.

ShyGuy 06-28-2013 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1436200)
What's wrong with what Bartok said? Anyone who doesn't think Anderson was behind 85% of this is the one that needs a shrink :) One reason our ALPA negotiators were negotiating with DL management, and not Pinnacle mgmt.

So it's Anderson's fault when he was at NWA and 9E underbid the Q400 contract with United Express at Colgan? And the Delta CRJ-900 contract for the ATL flying for 16 planes?

Noseeums 06-28-2013 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1436200)
What's wrong with what Bartok said? Anyone who doesn't think Anderson was behind 85% of this is the one that needs a shrink :)

Are you seriously asking what's wrong with being a conspiracy theorist? Nothing I guess. Hey watch out for those chemtrails next time you're at cruise altitude.

Saabs 06-28-2013 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1436269)
So it's Anderson's fault when he was at NWA and 9E underbid the Q400 contract with United Express at Colgan? And the Delta CRJ-900 contract for the ATL flying for 16 planes?

I'm sure the q contract was profitable when we ha slave work rules and pay

Bartok 06-28-2013 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Noseeums (Post 1436288)
Are you seriously asking what's wrong with being a conspiracy theorist? Nothing I guess. Hey watch out for those chemtrails next time you're at cruise altitude.

Conspiracy theory? Lol

Bankruptcy as a business tool is corporate 101.

"Hey Phil, we need to cut down on our 50 seat flying and reorganize the way DCI does business. I have a plan that will cut airplanes, labor contracts, make Pinnacle the premier Regional Airline owned and controlled totally by Delta, all the while applying pressure to every other Regional and Delta pilots to boot! We can even cut the top half of your seniority list and help with any so called pilot shortage."

"Does that mean I'm out of a job, Dick?"

"Sort of, but you'll like it. Here's the plan, first I'll sell you XJ......."

Doesn't sound too far fetched to me. Just business.

ShyGuy 06-28-2013 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1436317)
Conspiracy theory? Lol

Bankruptcy as a business tool is corporate 101.

"Hey Phil, we need to cut down on our 50 seat flying and reorganize the way DCI does business. I have a plan that will cut airplanes, labor contracts, make Pinnacle the premier Regional Airline owned and controlled totally by Delta, all the while applying pressure to every other Regional and Delta pilots to boot! We can even cut the top half of your seniority list and help with any so called pilot shortage."

"Does that mean I'm out of a job, Dick?"

"Sort of, but you'll like it. Here's the plan, first I'll sell you XJ......."

Doesn't sound too far fetched to me. Just business.

Thankfully pilots don't run companies. You voted for a paycut and you could have said no. That would have put a dent in their bluff.

crazyjaydawg 06-28-2013 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1435775)
Yes it was. 9E was so understaffed, Menke cancelled the BOS flying for US Airways Express to better staff the rest of the operation with those pilots.

So on a combined list of over 2700 pilots, shutting down the base with 30 pilots (1.11% of the list) was a plan to fix staffing issues? You've really fallen of the rocker dude.

I do agree though that it was total mismanagement by the Corps. starting with PT.

ShyGuy 06-28-2013 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg (Post 1436406)
So on a combined list of over 2700 pilots, shutting down the base with 30 pilots (1.11% of the list) was a plan to fix staffing issues? You've really fallen of the rocker dude.

I do agree though that it was total mismanagement by the Corps. starting with PT.

Yes that, along with the first big vacancy alignment after the ISL where pretty much everyone could bid and get whatever their seniority could hold. Colgan Saab to CRJ at Pinnacle? No problem. Mesaba Saab to CRJ Captain? Come on over. 38% of the entire pilot group received a different base/seat/aircraft. What a total disaster! 9E hadn't even completed its operational merger, and there were still a fenced and an unfenced side. The concessionary contract has a stipulation that next time if there is a merger, ain't no one bidding across a certificate until the fenced merger operation is all complete. That's what it SHOULD have been in the first place between Mesaba/Pinnacle/Colgan. But no, Mesaba Saab pilots had to find new seats ASAP. Oh well, ALPA and the JCBA reaped what it sowed.


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