Originally Posted by bonesbrigade (Post 1436628)

You know what *******?... your vitriol against this entire situation is pathetic. You must have some serious feelings of inadequacy if you have nothing better to do than keep kicking this pilot group.
How about we talk about Virgin America and its spectacularly poor financial performance, the allegations of bailout money from parent Virgin, and the fact that they continually petitioned the US government to allow them to continue to hide their financial reporting for a few more years so that the competition would not know how bad they were doing.
How about we talk about that, about how VA has slowed their delivery schedule with Airbus dramatically because they cannot afford to receive new planes. Lets talk about that. We could talk about your company's net loss of $671 MILLION dollars or the voluntary leave they were considering in 2013.
So how about you go worry about your own problems with your airline that will most likely be gone by the end of the decade. I don't care if 9E is gone or stays, and when I leave 9E I will wish everyone the best of luck. I can't say the same about you.

Originally Posted by norskman2 (Post 1436687)

As much as it pains me to agree with Shy, the vacancy alignment was a cluster of galactic proportions. There's not an airline in the entire universe that could have handled that magnitude of operational disruption smoothly, and with 9E management the implosion was all but guaranteed. Granted, there are a million other reasons why 9E collapsed but that vacancy and the way it was handled was a disaster of biblical proportions that pushed an already horrifically mismanaged airline over the cliff.

Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1436735)

I agree.

No doubt Richard Anderson foresaw this too. They understand how ALPA works much better than ALPA does.

It's much easier to dismantle and reorganize a company in bankruptcy, don't you think?

Originally Posted by norskman2 (Post 1436863)

Delta inherited 9E's contract from NWA and would have been stuck with 100+ money-losing 200s until 2017. Dick knew that throwing Mesaba at 9E would be tossing an anvil to a drowning man, and would quickly force both companies into bankruptcy. Badda bing badda boom. Quickest and easiest way to get rid of the biggest chunk of 200s in the DCI system in one fell swoop.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1436792)

You mad bro?

We can talk about those things, but that's for a VX thread. In the shortest summary I can provide, they've restructured their debt, lowered the interest on their loan payments, and deferred aircraft (which every airline has done since the 2008 recession) in order to better cope with the economic realities of today. The voluntary leave was only for the 1st quarter which is traditionally the weakest for all airlines, and many airlines offer some kind of leave or reduced line guarantee in that timeframe. Today, pilot hiring continues and upgrading is in the works for FAR 117 rules that are coming Jan 2014.

Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1436874)

I think we are speaking the same language now!

Originally Posted by Noseeums (Post 1437575)

It's not so much a language as a contrived story that you hope fits the reality that you've put yourself into yet cannot bare to admit.

What is crying foul in the flight deck or on a public message board going to gain you? Why not put that energy into something constructive? I know I'm absolutely exhausted of hearing the same idiotic conversations at work. Lets just move on. If you can't then maybe you belong at this place.

Originally Posted by Bartok (Post 1437593)

I am not the one that is crying foul, I think it's brilliant actually. Sucks, but brilliant.

You may want to ask yourself why you have the need to respond to my ponderings. Talk about unconstructive.

What do you care what I believe anyway?

Originally Posted by Noseeums (Post 1437623)

I'm not concerned with what you believe, but until I find a better job I'm working here listening to this garbage. Folks will spend an entire four day trip talking about the land of make-believe. And when the creativity reaches the end it'll be time to talk about the typical moronic conversations:

Compass thinks they're flying "transitional jets" (no they don't)
Delta "walks on water" (yet you'll wait years to get an interview)
"Can you believe this new FOM/CFM change?? Who bought who?" (who the heck cares?)
"those lazy rampers aren't waiting for us" (even though 9/10 times they are), etc..etc..etc....

The only reason I check this thread is to see if there's any supporting factual information about the future of this company or others that may keep me better informed on my future career decisions. Since there never seems to be anything besides the typical crewroom champion going off on some wild story about cigars and cognac I would agree that I have wasted my time and energy.