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-   -   Endeavor (9E) interviews and offers? (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/endeavor-air/78592-endeavor-9e-interviews-offers.html)

vilcas 12-31-2013 04:15 AM
Endeavor will be a rapidly changing situation and the current downgrades will not last long anyone saying otherwise is fear-mongering. We are not losing many 200 in 2014 but we will be losing lots of pilots. This loss will finally more concentrated in the upper ranks. Even though the SSP is not working as well as some pilots though it should it's still a bit better than 40%. If that same group of pilots had applied and waited for an invitation to interview the selection rate would have probably been less than 1%. If you come to endeavor expect that no one including management has a clear view on the forecast. Anyone forecasting disaster has an axe to grind and they are using analysis that assumes the worst. My advise is go to the regional that gives you the first class date. The next 10 years are going to see movement everywhere so nowhere will be the same as it is today.

Past V1 12-31-2013 04:29 AM
Endeavor will be a rapidly changing situation and the current downgrades will not last long anyone saying otherwise is fear-mongering. We are not losing many 200 in 2014 but we will be losing lots of pilots. This loss will finally more concentrated in the upper ranks. Even though the SSP is not working as well as some pilots though it should it's still a bit better than 40%. If that same group of pilots had applied and waited for an invitation to interview the selection rate would have probably been less than 1%. If you come to endeavor expect that no one including management has a clear view on the forecast. Anyone forecasting disaster has an axe to grind and they are using analysis that assumes the worst. My advise is go to the regional that gives you the first class date. The next 10 years are going to see movement everywhere so nowhere will be the same as it is today.
What?!?!? Can this be??? An actual intelligent reply. Now don't get carried away because they may move this to the Major section because we are talking like grown ups.

Great response!

Flitestar 12-31-2013 04:48 AM
Originally Posted by swamp (Post 1549934)
Heard pink slip ppls SSP interview went about as well as most of his check rides..... Bust....
This is accurate.

Deice Press 12-31-2013 05:03 AM
Originally Posted by swamp (Post 1549934)
Heard pink slip ppls SSP interview went about as well as most of his check rides..... Bust....
This is the best thing I've read on here.. ever.

Flitestar 12-31-2013 05:06 AM
Originally Posted by vilcas (Post 1549978)
Endeavor will be a rapidly changing situation and the current downgrades will not last long anyone saying otherwise is fear-mongering. We are not losing many 200 in 2014 but we will be losing lots of pilots. This loss will finally more concentrated in the upper ranks. Even though the SSP is not working as well as some pilots though it should it's still a bit better than 40%. If that same group of pilots had applied and waited for an invitation to interview the selection rate would have probably been less than 1%. If you come to endeavor expect that no one including management has a clear view on the forecast. Anyone forecasting disaster has an axe to grind and they are using analysis that assumes the worst. My advise is go to the regional that gives you the first class date. The next 10 years are going to see movement everywhere so nowhere will be the same as it is today.
There are a few spot on facts on this response. However, You are aware that 9E has announced a fleet reduction to 81 airplanes right? This will leave a surplus of several hundred pilots; let me guess, you're hoping majors hiring and FO attrition will cushion that, right? Big gamble right there by wanting to come to 9E as a fresh 2014 new hire with no seniority in that situation.

I would recommend looking at regionals who AS OF NOW have plans to grow right away, 9E is a shrinking airline, whether some people like it or not, it's written on paper and officially announced by both delta's and 9e's management. Thinking this reduction will not happen is "crystal balling" as of now.

There's almost as much conjecture on Vilcas response as there is on those ill-charged angry responses from those who just want to spread baseless fear.

Go find yourself an airline that at least has a growing fleet plan.

MrMustache 12-31-2013 05:45 AM
Originally Posted by vilcas (Post 1549978)
Endeavor will be a rapidly changing situation and the current downgrades will not last long anyone saying otherwise is fear-mongering. We are not losing many 200 in 2014 but we will be losing lots of pilots. This loss will finally more concentrated in the upper ranks. Even though the SSP is not working as well as some pilots though it should it's still a bit better than 40%. If that same group of pilots had applied and waited for an invitation to interview the selection rate would have probably been less than 1%. If you come to endeavor expect that no one including management has a clear view on the forecast. Anyone forecasting disaster has an axe to grind and they are using analysis that assumes the worst. My advise is go to the regional that gives you the first class date. The next 10 years are going to see movement everywhere so nowhere will be the same as it is today.
And not losing 200s isn't forecasting? Someone has to with this little thing called scope and so far Endeavor is the only one who has publicily said they are losing 200s... Nice crystal ball. You're no different than the fear mongers.

80ktsClamp 12-31-2013 05:56 AM
Originally Posted by swamp (Post 1549934)
Heard pink slip ppls SSP interview went about as well as most of his check rides..... Bust....
Did the legendary AR pass? If he got by...ugh.

gojo 12-31-2013 06:14 AM
Originally Posted by Flitestar (Post 1549990)
There are a few spot on facts on this response. However, You are aware that 9E has announced a fleet reduction to 81 airplanes right? This will leave a surplus of several hundred pilots; let me guess, you're hoping majors hiring and FO attrition will cushion that, right? Big gamble right there by wanting to come to 9E as a fresh 2014 new hire with no seniority in that situation.

I would recommend looking at regionals who AS OF NOW have plans to grow right away, 9E is a shrinking airline, whether some people like it or not, it's written on paper and officially announced by both delta's and 9e's management. Thinking this reduction will not happen is "crystal balling" as of now.

There's almost as much conjecture on Vilcas response as there is on those ill-charged angry responses from those who just want to spread baseless fear.

Go find yourself an airline that at least has a growing fleet plan.
It's my understanding that all major counterparts have announced a reduction of 50 seat jets. Some will be lucky to acquire some larger RJ'S at a ratio. Therefor, most regional airlines will be shrinking, with the exception of the ones that don't currently operate 50 seat jets. The entire regional landscape is changing dramatically. In my opinion, their biggest challenge will be staffing.

MrMustache 12-31-2013 06:17 AM
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1550010)
Did the legendary AR pass? If he got by...ugh.
His "well sourced" posts on airlink about Delta have been slim to none lately. Guessing there is a reason.

block30 12-31-2013 06:19 AM
Originally Posted by gojo (Post 1550019)
It's my understanding that all major counterparts have announced a reduction of 50 seat jets. Some will be lucky to acquire some larger RJ'S at a ratio. Therefor, most regional airlines will be shrinking, with the exception of the ones that don't currently operate 50 seat jets. The entire regional landscape is changing dramatically. In my opinion, their biggest challenge will be staffing.
This is so true. Making predictions in this industry is a crap shoot, right now especially. As I told someone else, didn't Trans States suddenly go from being the place of NO advancement to about a one year upgrade?


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