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Flitestar 12-31-2013 03:36 PM

Well, did the applicant turn around and spit at his sim instructor in the face first or something?

swamp 12-31-2013 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Flitestar (Post 1550316)
Well, did the applicant turn around and spit at his sim instructor in the face first or something?

LOL, nah, very senior 777 Capt (applicant) screwed up (crashed the sim) and Kicker thought it would be professional to kick the back of the capt chair. unfortunately for kicker, capt was good friends with some very important people at FedEx. I understand his buds want to defend him, but he was a toolbag for kicking a guys chair. Hell the guys I know at FedEx, Im surprised Kicker was able to drive home with 4 inflated tires.

AlaskaBound 12-31-2013 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 1550291)
The XJ way is far different. In my opinion, too easy. No digging in orals (just to teach something new), only basic failures in PC's. You need to learn something in a training event.
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Ouch... this coming from an instructor from an airline that has crashed airplanes. I dare you to compare Mesaba's safety recored to Pinnacle's any day. How many Mesaba orals have you been through to compare? I've been through many Mesaba training events and 1 too many Pinnacle training events. No comparison. Mesaba was fair and effective. Pinnacle was a ******* show. I learned more in the XJ training events than I ever did at 9E.

Bartok 12-31-2013 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1550336)
Ouch... this coming from an instructor from an airline that has crashed airplanes. I dare you to compare Mesaba's safety recored to Pinnacle's any day. How many Mesaba orals have you been through to compare? I've been through many Mesaba training events and 1 too many Pinnacle training events. No comparison. Mesaba was fair and effective. Pinnacle was a ******* show. I learned more in the XJ training events than I ever did at 9E.

Cmon man.

A hostile training environment using fear and intimidation is the only way to go.

block30 12-31-2013 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 1550291)
Don't start chief, I think I still owe you a saucer night BTW. I've watched this thread. I find irony in the guy coined "pink slip" has the highest pass rate (and is actually a great guy if you don't try and BS your way through an oral), and the guy accused of "kicking the chair" is a bus FO at purple when the guy red screened the sim. Back seat driving is easy, but stating the truth is a whole new ball game.

Those who "fear" the guy you call "pink slip" is the guy I would do an oral, PC, or type ride with any day of the week. He's a straight shooter. You either know your stuff, or you don't. The XJ way is far different. In my opinion, too easy. No digging in orals (just to teach something new), only basic failures in PC's. You need to learn something in a training event.

Say what you want, but things are changing, and not in the way that helps pilots truly know the plane they are flying. I can't tell you how many times it has been helpful to truly "know" the plane from training to be helpful on the line.

How the so called "pink slip" didn't get the SSP truly bothers me. Say what you want,but I'd vouch for him any day of the week.

In my (limited) experience I would agree with that whole bolded line. Never had him for a checkride, but I did for a training event. He was a great instructor, personable, and helped me trouble shoot one of the maneuvers I was having trouble with. I never felt belittled, and his advice straightened me right out!

BIGRIG 12-31-2013 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1550336)
Ouch... this coming from an instructor from an airline that has crashed airplanes. I dare you to compare Mesaba's safety recored to Pinnacle's any day. How many Mesaba orals have you been through to compare? I've been through many Mesaba training events and 1 too many Pinnacle training events. No comparison. Mesaba was fair and effective. Pinnacle was a ******* show. I learned more in the XJ training events than I ever did at 9E.

Oh you asked for it now. Cue the pinnacle know-it-alls that we love.

IBPilot 12-31-2013 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1550336)
Ouch... this coming from an instructor from an airline that has crashed airplanes. I dare you to compare Mesaba's safety recored to Pinnacle's any day. How many Mesaba orals have you been through to compare? I've been through many Mesaba training events and 1 too many Pinnacle training events. No comparison. Mesaba was fair and effective. Pinnacle was a ******* show. I learned more in the XJ training events than I ever did at 9E.

Well I guess it's just tons better than FedEx and delta too. They have crashed. Get real and tell us how the pinnacle crashes involve the training dept in any way shape or form.

80ktsClamp 12-31-2013 05:49 PM

That's too bad about "pink slip." Even worse that AR got the job and not him. He's a very good instructor, evaluator and pilot... Plus enjoyable to be around. Not a good time for the SSP record.

AlaskaBound 12-31-2013 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 1550291)
Don't start chief, I think I still owe you a saucer night BTW. I've watched this thread. I find irony in the guy coined "pink slip" has the highest pass rate (and is actually a great guy if you don't try and BS your way through an oral), and the guy accused of "kicking the chair" is a bus FO at purple when the guy red screened the sim. Back seat driving is easy, but stating the truth is a whole new ball game.

Those who "fear" the guy you call "pink slip" is the guy I would do an oral, PC, or type ride with any day of the week. He's a straight shooter. You either know your stuff, or you don't. The XJ way is far different. In my opinion, too easy. No digging in orals (just to teach something new), only basic failures in PC's. You need to learn something in a training event.

Say what you want, but things are changing, and not in the way that helps pilots truly know the plane they are flying. I can't tell you how many times it has been helpful to truly "know" the plane from training to be helpful on the line.

How the so called "pink slip" didn't get the SSP truly bothers me. Say what you want, but I'd vouch for him any day of the week.


Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1550359)
Well I guess it's just tons better than FedEx and delta too. They have crashed. Get real and tell us how the pinnacle crashes involve the training dept in any way shape or form.

I can't speak for the Delta or FedEx training departments. I haven't gone through them. I can only speak of those which I have experience. It's not all about crashes. It's about effectiveness. The ultimate goal of the training department is to prevent pilots from crashing planes. A failure of the training dept can be directly linked to the poor training conditions.
Again, I have no beef with Delta, FedEx or any other airline training dept except for Pinnacles (it wasn't Endeavor when I went through). Pinnacles' training dept was ridiculous and a good chunk XJ pilots who jumped the fence to the 9E side will say the same if you ask them. Fear and intimidation is the way of the game over there...at least it was when I went through.

Al Czervik 12-31-2013 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1550363)
AR got the job

Your crew rooms are about to get epic.


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