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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 1658967)

DL mainline rate for a 12 yr EMB-190/CRJ-900 CAPT..139.42/hr.

12yr FO rates:

A320..142.96
M88....140.40
717.....133.30

Yes..15 yr NB FO's would love to be a CRJ CAPT some day..especially if they wouldn't have commute from a closed base or are looking at 20+ years in the right seat at a senior base.

How's that for invalidation?

And 12 year Endeavor 900 CA make $87/hour. If you are saying a 12 year 717 FO wants to take a $46,000/year pay cut to be a CA, all I gotta say is they must have SFSS (Shiny Four Stripe Syndrome).

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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 1658967)

DL mainline rate for a 12 yr EMB-190/CRJ-900 Capt as of 1/15..139.42/hr.

12yr FO rates:

A320..142.96
M88....140.40
717.....133.30

I only posted 12 yr rates cause we're all 14+ yrs in the right seat. DL pilots hired 99-00 were just able to hold CAPT in NYC as of last month.

Yes..15 yr NB FO's would love to be a CRJ CAPT some day..especially if they wouldn't have to commute to NYC from a closed base or are looking at 20+ years in the right seat at a senior base.

How's that for invalidation?

I didn't mean your data would be invalid.

I meant that you said something stupid and continued reading would not interest me.

I see now that you meant that they would want to sit left seat in an RJ AT DELTA, not at a regional.

Good luck with that....

Edit: If the pay is just about the same why would anyone want to sit left seat in a 900 if you can sit right seat in a 717/M88/320 with half the responsibility? Are people trying to build PIC to move on to SUPER Delta? Perhaps the thought of an overnight in XNA or GPT really floats your boat?

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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 1658913)

I have always maintained that RJ pilots are capable and professional..just that everyone should have to interview. I just don't buy the sob story when DL is offering a HUGE advantage to everyone at 9E.
Bottom line..DL pilots don't look "down" on RJ guys..we just know that you replaced us for more than a decade. Now you get flow and SSP and somehow DL is screwing you again..

We did not come to DAL willingly but through the merger with NWA. So please explain how anyone at 9E replaced a DAL pilot for the last decade. I will be happy to take the same test that the Western Airlines pilots and the NWA pilots took to become a current DAL pilot. Is it or was their test the same test being given now to everyone coming to DAL? I may not have taken DAL's SAT test and interview but then they did not issue me any ratings and qualifications at 9E without any effort and study. Nor did the FAA look the other way. Same with most regional pilots if not all.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
. We are pretty good, but I prefer quiet competency at work.

"Same. I don't need some silly sign attempting to bolster my ego while Delta slips a roofie in my Coke."

I don't care if I go to DAL or not but I don't need to go be interviewed or take DAL SAT to justify my competency either.

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Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1658987)

And yet you continued to read it..talk about stupid.

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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 1658913)

I have been one of the most vocal guys on this board advocating for all flying coming back to mainline. I have always maintained that RJ pilots are capable and professional..just that everyone should have to interview. In fact, I am one of the only mainline guys who talk up RJ experience and qualifications being extremely competitive for any airline. I just don't buy the sob story when DL is offering a HUGE advantage to everyone at 9E.

As far as Comair..there wasnt any flow back and Comair hired 60/mo as DL furloughed almost the same amount. When DL bought Comair, several senior Comair captains pushed for DOH integration.. DL pilots balked at that and we wound up with the rejected DL furougjees and the RJDC. When the DL MEC approached Comair to let DL furloughees INTERVIEW and start at the bottom in the RIGHT seat in exchange for preferential hiring at DL when the smoke cleared. The Comair MEC rejected our offer and that started the "class warfare"..so be it.

I agree that it's up to mainline..but I don't think the company or the union wants to risk SLI lawsuits after a staple. I was initially against the "flow and SSP", but isn't that effectively getting to the same end result of ALL flying under one banner? Why is it such a slap in the face for a EtD new hire to get interviewed by DL at the beginning of his/her career and current 9E pilots do it just before coming over to mainline? They won't be at DL before any current 9E pilots!

As far as my "attitude"..maybe it's very similar to the sentiments Envoy or RAH pilots have towards PSA or whoever else voted to undercut their rates and fly big shiny jets. RJ's replaced us, now other RJ's are gonna replace them. I don't see you guys bashing them..what's the difference? What if DL LCA's we're looking for former Comair pilots just to bust them once they got on with DL?

Bottom line..DL pilots don't look "down" on RJ guys..we just know that you replaced us for more than a decade. Now you get flow and SSP and somehow DL is screwing you again..

Thanks for the the history on the Comair thing. There's probably a lot more to it but that really sucks if they were bypassing Delta furloughs to take guys off the street. I'm not familiar with any of your posts outside of this thread so I appreciate your support of bringing all flying in house.
As far as the EtD thing, I can understand Delta not wanting to give a flow to current Endeavor pilots, why would they want to take guys they haven't hired themselves? But that just begs the question, why then do they let these same pilots fly their passengers? Not good enough to work for Delta, but good enough to do the same job at another company for far less money, flying Delta passengers who assume are on a Delta airplane. Are the SSP pilots going to be heald to the same standard as the EtD pilots? So guys with years of 121 experience and proven track records can be shot down in an interview, not unlike any other job, but a new hire will be guaranteed a Delta slot as long as they pass the "dumbed down" version of the Delta interview to compensate for their lack of 121 experience? Sound fair to you?
Beyond the fairness argument, the whole thing is a joke. Endeavor is downgrading and by most people's assesments, shrinking. This is a recruiting tool for Endeavor plain and simple. FO's are bailing faster than the company can replace them because let's be honest, why would anyone come to a shrinking company to be stuck as a reserve FO indefinitely? "Look, come here! A guaranteed job at Delta!" Meanwhile, the fine print tells you the dirty details, must be a captain for 2 years first, where the upgrade time is indeterminate at a company with a 4 year cap on FO pay! Yeah, good luck with that.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jethikoki (Post 1659012)

All of us took the test. Blue Angels, astronauts, Mesaba LCA's, AF heavy drivers..none of us thought our crap didn't stink. I don't know what Western or NWA guys had to go thru..but I'm sure they prepared for it and didn't throw their "yrs of experience and FAA certificate's" out to be exempt from whatever was required of them to get the job.

I look forward to hearing how you turned down your SSP interview because you were too competent to take a silly test.

I support CG says, what Comair did to him and fellow Delta pilots is shameful. Not only would they not allow furloughed Delta pilots to sit right seat at the bottom of their list, they then sued to make sure the furloughs would stay furloughed. Totally shameful, however, we are nothing like Comair.

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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 1659021)

I look forward to hearing how you turned down your SSP interview because you were too competent to take a silly test.

It is not that sir. I just do not care to start all over again at my age. I am sure DAL is a great opportunity for anyone/everyone that wish to have a career with DAL and I sincerely wish everyone best of luck. I was also fortunate to have flown with some of DAL best in the Guard. So far the US Govt. hasn't reneged on a military pension like DAL management did with its pilots.
Good luck to you!

"Originally suit required a four year college degree and an internship of 5-10 years in the military, and another 10-15 years for the fourth stripe.
Suit comes with a promise of a pension if you provide years of dedication and service. THE PROMISE MAY BE AS EMPTY AS THE SUIT."
Retired DAL pilot

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Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1659036)

Thanks, Mesabah..I've been taking some serious broadsides today!

I really DO want the 9E guys to move on to Delta ..and for all flying to be brought back to mainline. I think the SSP and the EtD may be the best way to make that happen.

Phone's dying and I have to move back to lurker mode.

Seriously..I do wish you guys good luck with whatever airline you wind up flying for..CG OUT

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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 1659021)

I look forward to hearing how you turned down your SSP interview because you were too competent to take a silly test.

Easy, big fella. I'm on your side. I just don't like the cheesy "world's best employees" eyewash from Delta while they try to drill us all in the corn hole. that's all I was getting at.