If everyone is so big on telling people why not to come to Endeavor, here's your chance. Don't turn this into mindless bickering either. Focus on the topic and start the long list of reasons....new hires expect to have the fate of your career in the hands of an instructor who was passed up by Delta. He knows the limit to how many failed checking events you can have. He will make sure he does his part to add to your count. So good luck with it! Oh and Delta can cancel the agreement at any time. Look how well it worked out for Mesaba when everyone there had flow.

 

seriously? dozens of other legit reasons and you focus on 1 or 2 rogue instructors in a scheme that hasn't even happened yet? You just asked for bikering Let's keep the fantasies/emotions out of it and deal with facts. Eternal reserve in JFK, 9 year CA downgrades, this whole thing being a bait & switch, 4 year FO pay scale etc?

 

I think the better strategy is for all qualified pilots to apply, interview, then unfortunately have to decline the job for personal reasons a few days before class.

 

 

You people need to step up to the actual ones that wronged you, not the new guys applying for the job. Deciding to pile up failed checkrides on people who are starting out their career to ruin their lives is cowardly and a despicable way to fight. You want to fight back? Fight back against the people who did this to you. You do this to the new guys? Then you are a bunch of spineless cowards and deserve to be in this predicament.

 

The only valid reasons are that you are going to have a pilot group who hates new hires, some in positions of authority will seek retribution by failing the applicant. They are not seeking retribution on the new pilot directly, but on Delta and Endeavor. The new pilot is simply a tool or instrument that will be used as a weapon against the companies. IE the company throws a grenade over, the pilot group throws one back over.

This is what the industry has come to. Its sickening but the truth of the matter is new pilots coming to Endeavor will likely be a casualty of war. Come to Endeavor, the pilot group will ensure that extreme measures are taken to dot every i and cross every t or you fail.

As far as listing other reasons why not to come to Endeavor? What's the point. All regional airlines suck equally as bad. Every single company thread on this forum pilots say their airline is the worst and to go elsewhere.

Until the relationship can change between the groups, nothing else can change.

This is another example of how ALPA does not serve the best interests of regional airline pilots directly.

 

Don't do that...DAL is suspected (to a reliable enough level for me) to hold a grudge and blacklist people who no show a class. Well I guess you could if you're a 100% confirmed lifer at another regional...something fun to do on your day off.

Simply not accepting a job there is enough.

 

Why?
Is this new hires fault?
Failing somebody based solely on jealousy? This is so unprofessional!

 

Baron, the instructors aren't advocating this. A handful of non-training dept blowhards are making up hypotheticals, mainly because they hate the training dept for some reason or another. What is unprofessional is implying that instructors who they don't even know personally would do it.

 

I turned down an interview at Endeavor before the EtD came out, for reasons not listed here. However I am growing increasingly relieved with my decision after discovering the attitude of some in the Endeavor pilot group seem to have. I can understand your being upset, I would be too. However the threats of animosity, failed checkrides etc are just plain childish. Hopefully all of it just venting, but in venting you betray your mindset. You have the avenues to protest this, how about channeling your anger into something productive which has a snowball's chance of working instead of doing a very poor job of representing your pilot group.