Originally Posted by tom11011

The only valid reasons are that you are going to have a pilot group who hates new hires, some in positions of authority will seek retribution by failing the applicant. They are not seeking retribution on the new pilot directly, but on Delta and Endeavor. The new pilot is simply a tool or instrument that will be used as a weapon against the companies. IE the company throws a grenade over, the pilot group throws one back over.

This is what the industry has come to. Its sickening but the truth of the matter is new pilots coming to Endeavor will likely be a casualty of war. Come to Endeavor, the pilot group will ensure that extreme measures are taken to dot every i and cross every t or you fail.

As far as listing other reasons why not to come to Endeavor? What's the point. All regional airlines suck equally as bad. Every single company thread on this forum pilots say their airline is the worst and to go elsewhere.

Until the relationship can change between the groups, nothing else can change.

This is another example of how ALPA does not serve the best interests of regional airline pilots directly.

Originally Posted by Xdashdriver

I turned down an interview at Endeavor before the EtD came out, for reasons not listed here. However I am growing increasingly relieved with my decision after discovering the attitude of some in the Endeavor pilot group seem to have. I can understand your being upset, I would be too. However the threats of animosity, failed checkrides etc are just plain childish. Hopefully all of it just venting, but in venting you betray your mindset. You have the avenues to protest this, how about channeling your anger into something productive which has a snowball's chance of working instead of doing a very poor job of representing your pilot group.

Originally Posted by pylit4lyfe

If everyone is so big on telling people why not to come to Endeavor, here's your chance. Don't turn this into mindless bickering either. Focus on the topic and start the long list of reasons....new hires expect to have the fate of your career in the hands of an instructor who was passed up by Delta. He knows the limit to how many failed checking events you can have. He will make sure he does his part to add to your count. So good luck with it! Oh and Delta can cancel the agreement at any time. Look how well it worked out for Mesaba when everyone there had flow.

Originally Posted by Wildflyin

You people need to step up to the actual ones that wronged you, not the new guys applying for the job. Deciding to pile up failed checkrides on people who are starting out their career to ruin their lives is cowardly and a despicable way to fight. You want to fight back? Fight back against the people who did this to you. You do this to the new guys? Then you are a bunch of spineless cowards and deserve to be in this predicament.

Originally Posted by Wildflyin

Still incredibly unprofessional. You don't create unity by sacrificing your own people as a "tool", you make yourself weaker and that's what management wants. You need to fight management and the system as a whole, but you don't sacrifice your brothers and sisters to make them into a supposed weapon against those who wronged you. I was military before I went to commercial aviation, these comments sicken the Marine in me. It's the tactics of those who are too uneducated and too afraid to stand up for themselves and a horrible way to think.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Marine, you were a part of a unified fighting force which is known for it's loyalty.

The regional airline business was created to be the exact opposite. These alter ego Delta carriers are fought against each other for who gets the next meal. Their existence has more similarities to raising fighting pit bulls than serving together fighting a common enemy with common objectives.

Web board posts have little influence on aspiring pilots who are looking for what to do more than what not to do. These men and women are seeking opportunity.

I don't know if Endeavor is a chance to be at the wrong place at the right time, or the wrong place at the wrong time. But, it is clearly an unknown for pilots who are looking for employment during those critical early years.

Endeavor pilots were pressured into eating a crap sandwich. Their best hope is to get management to relent from what they themselves ratified. To do that they need the new hire pool to be constrained and to drive up the Company's need for their services.

Originally Posted by Wildflyin

You people need to step up to the actual ones that wronged you, not the new guys applying for the job. Deciding to pile up failed checkrides on people who are starting out their career to ruin their lives is cowardly and a despicable way to fight. You want to fight back? Fight back against the people who did this to you. You do this to the new guys? Then you are a bunch of spineless cowards and deserve to be in this predicament.