Thanks for this. It helps explain why the majority of Delta pilots (and it's only the Delta pilots) look upon me with distaste and don't acknowledge my smile and friendly nod in the terminal hallways. I've never taken it personally and knew there was a reason for it and now I know. So thank you.

It's a distasteful business when the majority of us are served by the same union but yet we continue to cut each other off at the kneecaps. It's the one thing management can plan on long term.

 

Typical delta pilot. Blame the regional pilot for all the difficulties you've had in your career. I had nothing to do with your furlough, pay cut, bankruptcy, merger, etc... I was hired long before that. You should be blaming yourselves for laxing scope, the Great Recession, 911, etc...

Want to hear some of the crap I've been thru while flying "your" passengers around? Downgrade, base closing (3), dropping from S3 to S3C, free nonrev travel to paying $211/yr. So you aren't the only one who has had tough times with this career brother.

And you know what else buddy, we at ASA took on many of your furloughed pilots. I flew with many of them. Great folks in general. But it's this holier than thou attitude that SOME of y'all have that makes the rest of the 121 pilots in this country not care about you or your issues.

 

I can appreciate the crap sandwich that you were dealt, but I dont understand the logic of blaming the regional guys. You say that regional guys undercut mainline jobs? Sorry, that's just too oversimplified. The guys who sold you out were the senior mainline guys who voted to relax scope. Your management took full advantage of that and outsourced your job. It was given away, not taken. I only hope that you have learned from that giant mistake those guys made and help restore what was lost in future contracts.
I think regional guys were duped just as much as you were, no one taking these jobs expected to be there more than a few years, not the decade or more many have been.
Regionals are having lots of problems staffing right now because the appeal of this career has taken a major hit over the last 10 years. It's not the 1500 hour rule, its the realization that taking on monumental debt to be stuck at a regional at poverty wages for years on end is killing this career.

 

This is the problem we continue to face at the regionals. Class warfare. Many pilots like CGfalconHerc that work at the mainline think because they work (or have worked) at a mainline think simply because they have a mainline job and make more money, that automatically places them and their family above all other regional pilots and our families. We should get nothing and have nothing to complain about until ALL mainline pilots needs are satisfied first. Regional pilots and our families are not important when compared to any mainline pilot and his/her family.

 

Not "holier than thou", buddy..more like stabbed in the back. But since you were hired before 911, looks like you want to rewrite history.

Big, bad, arrogant DL pilots wrote strike assessment checks to Comair pilots when they were out on strike to try and bring the RJ pilots closer to parity with mainline. I checked for Comair struck work while in the 72 out of CVG to help my fellow 121 brothers improve the profession, since only DL Mainline pilots could easily REPLACE Comair pilots and crush their strike. We helped Comair pilots become the highest paid RJ pilots in the industry..but I guess our efforts were no big deal since we all look down on RJ pilots and their families.

We had a "no furlough" clause in our C2K contract that gave RJ pilots unprecedented growth in addition to our pay rates...then came the RJDC that did nothing but perpetuate the "class warfare". But I guess I "sold" scope, knowing that 911, ect would put nearly all of DL's domestic lift in the boneyard. Then, after 911, the Comair MEC, refused to let furloughed DL pilots sit in the RIGHT seat to keep some income coming in.

Why do I have to keep telling this story?! Cause guys keep spinning the history to fit .."Big, bad DL is screwing us. They want us to actually interview for a job, even though there are 11k guys eagerly waiting for the same opportunity. Mainline DL pilots are arrogant jerks..they don't care about the RJ guys"..yeah, right buddy!

Wow, 3 base closures, downgrades, and you had to pay to non-rev on mainline? Yeah, you had it pretty bad. How long did it take you to upgrade to the left seat? How many hours of TPIC do you have? Why are you still at Xjt..didn't you apply to SWA or even DL when there was hiring back in 07-08?

You're in the front of the biggest hiring wave in history..with all that experience..you can go anywhere..just don't complain if you have to actually interview for the job at UAL, AA or SWA.

Remember, this whole thread is about 9E pilots being angry that they get SPECIAL consideration for a job at Delta..I don't get why y'all are so upset.

Good luck.

 

Well, it is about new hires getting mo' special treatment than those already doing the work.

 

Don't paint with a broad brush. It's easy to do, but you need to realize the majority of us know the real deal. CG does not speak for Delta Pilots. I was furloughed as well and it is hard not to harbor ill will to the leadership at Comair during that time. I realize it was a ComAir union leadership decision brought on by a division created by MGT.

I personally would jump at the chance to put this entire outsourcing scheme to rest. I do believe that if you are qualified to fly Delta pax on a 76 seat RJ, you are capable of doing it in mainline aircraft. I respect all you do for our airline. While I can't speak for all Delta guys, the ones I have flown with feel similar to me. Realize that this last offer from MGT is a last ditch effort to staff Endeavor. Nothing will work except money and QOL improvements. I truly would be happy and look forward to sharing a cockpit with all Endeavor pilots in future.

 

Again I am sorry about your furlough, so what should a regional have done for furloughed pilots like you? I 100% agree any furloughed pilot should have gone to any other company that was in need of pilots and sling gear or whatever like you said, not only just Comair. Some regional pilots have also been furloughed before. They should also be allowed to go to DAL or any mainline that is hiring in the same manor that you purpose. Or are you saying it should only be applicable to mainline pilots like you because a regional pilot is unworthy of the same treatment that a mainline pilot receives?

 

wow listen to you guys.....

 

I wrote those comair strike checks too. Probably making a fraction of what you were and with a new baby at home and delivering pizza part time to make ends meet. How bout you ace? Ever had to work two jobs while being an airline pilot to make ends meet?

No rewriting history here. I saw it happen before my own eyes. But you just keep having that delta attitude brother. You are giving all the good guys at delta a bigger hill to climb up to gain respect that you and guys with attitudes like yours keep tearing down.

And, I have always planned on having to interview for a job. No sense of entitlement here. I have had to interview for every job I have ever had and nobody has given me a damn thing. I have worked for everything I have. And I am proud of it!

As far as time goes, about 13000 hours and probly about 7000 TPIC. 6.5 year upgrade all while starting over at a new regional years ago.

And I am not upset with the endeavor/delta
flow. I have no desire to work for delta. I do get sick of the "im better than you" delta pilot attitude though. Cant tell you how many times i have been on a dl js with the captain spewing his insulting comments to the fo about us regional guys. (i even had one 75 Ca tell a fa the reason dl closed dfw was because of those damn lil rjs). Preciate ya.
All the while i show nothing but courtesy and respect to EVERY person on my js.

And how many times have i said hi or given a nod to a dl pilot in a terminal and received no acknowledgement in return?? Too many to count. So i dont do it anymore. Unless they do it first.

So just keep telling us how bad you have it ace. Its definitely entertaining.