Dont apply at endeavor!
06-05-2014 | 06:52 PM
#81
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Right back atcha, ace..nobody gave me anything either..especially a preferred interview at Delta.
I'll see your pizza delivery with washing dishes at a diner when I was 12. Worked plenty, and I'll save you any military anecdotes about working on a ship if you'll save me your "working class hero" sob story, brother.
Back to the point. Nobody's looking down on anybody..except for the 9E guys threatening to crap all over EtD new hires. That is the title of this thread, right? Don't come to 9E cause we'll make your life miserable and bust you back to the 172..talk about condescending and arrogant!
As for being professional and courteous..it runs both ways, and the vitriol spat at DL and mainline pilots is what started this whole argument in the first place.
I'll see your pizza delivery with washing dishes at a diner when I was 12. Worked plenty, and I'll save you any military anecdotes about working on a ship if you'll save me your "working class hero" sob story, brother.
Back to the point. Nobody's looking down on anybody..except for the 9E guys threatening to crap all over EtD new hires. That is the title of this thread, right? Don't come to 9E cause we'll make your life miserable and bust you back to the 172..talk about condescending and arrogant!
As for being professional and courteous..it runs both ways, and the vitriol spat at DL and mainline pilots is what started this whole argument in the first place.
I have NEVER had any issues jumpseating on Delta (or AA/UAL, etc.). They have all been professional. One A320 captain even went out of his way to give me 'Delta' bag tag to ensure my bag doesn't end up in 'Baggage'. Politeness, Rudeness, Professionalism, lack of it, Attitude, etc., all are individual traits.
06-05-2014 | 07:04 PM
#82
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From: Waiting for my set
Regardless of the attitudes going on right now... Going to Endeavor is a gamble for new highers. Unless Delta seriously addresses the problems with the SSP, there won't be much movement off the top. With a said fleet plan of only 81 900's, that puts Endeavor fat on pilots... a large reserve pool of 200 pilots to staff the operation for a while. Apply at your own risk......
06-05-2014 | 07:22 PM
#83
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No matter what the issue, why not show some integrity, be a professional and do your jobs? However you feel about EtD should not have even the least amount of influence on whether or not you pass someone on their PC. If you do, you're as bad as any airline management or so-called SJS wunderkinds that you so despise. Grow up already.
06-06-2014 | 06:20 AM
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It should be noted that the entire training department does not have people that fail other pilots for their own bull$hit reasons.
The 900 program is run by primarily old XJ guys and you will be treated fairly there.
The problem is a handful of old 9E guys on the 200 that don't have a frikin clue.
(mooney BTW is one of the best from either side!)
The 900 program is run by primarily old XJ guys and you will be treated fairly there.
The problem is a handful of old 9E guys on the 200 that don't have a frikin clue.
(mooney BTW is one of the best from either side!)
06-06-2014 | 07:02 AM
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I don't get what you guys mean when you say fix the SSP. You guys are getting a smoking deal as it is. You don't have to meet DALs mins (4 yr degree), you have a guaranteed interview regardless of your quals being competitive. On top of that when the pool was deep you were getting class dates months ahead of OTS guys you interviewed alongside of. Every other DCI carrier has made sacrifices and none of them including Comair got anything close to your SSP.
06-06-2014 | 07:31 AM
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I don't get what you guys mean when you say fix the SSP. You guys are getting a smoking deal as it is. You don't have to meet DALs mins (4 yr degree), you have a guaranteed interview regardless of your quals being competitive. On top of that when the pool was deep you were getting class dates months ahead of OTS guys you interviewed alongside of. Every other DCI carrier has made sacrifices and none of them including Comair got anything close to your SSP.
Well I think their argument is the no one is actually getting hired through the SSP. It's success rate is significantly lower than OTS interviews.
There is also speculation that DAL is purposely not passing people through the interview due to operational needs at Endeavor.
06-06-2014 | 07:33 AM
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I don't get what you guys mean when you say fix the SSP. You guys are getting a smoking deal as it is. You don't have to meet DALs mins (4 yr degree), you have a guaranteed interview regardless of your quals being competitive. On top of that when the pool was deep you were getting class dates months ahead of OTS guys you interviewed alongside of. Every other DCI carrier has made sacrifices and none of them including Comair got anything close to your SSP.
06-06-2014 | 07:55 AM
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From: DAL 757 FO
Well I think their argument is the no one is actually getting hired through the SSP. It's success rate is significantly lower than OTS interviews.
There is also speculation that DAL is purposely not passing people through the interview due to operational needs at Endeavor.
There is also speculation that DAL is purposely not passing people through the interview due to operational needs at Endeavor.
06-06-2014 | 08:01 AM
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Of course the success rate is going to be lower, there's zero screening prior to the interview. SSP guys with huge black marks that would disqualify anybody else still get interviewed. If you picked any other regional pilot group and forced Delta to interview all of them no matter what I'm sure you'd see similar results.
I don't work there so I don't have the exact success rate of the SSP vs OTS maybe someone can chime in.
06-06-2014 | 08:06 AM
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I have heard their success rate of getting hired has gone up because more guys actually want the job. They interviewed the most senior guys first who were the most bitter and didn't really care if they got the job because they had 15 years with the company and didn't want to start over. This is what I had heard. Now they are interviewing guys that actually want to go to Delta so the success rate has been going up substantially.
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