Dont apply at endeavor!
06-05-2014, 10:53 AM
#52
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Originally Posted by TheBlueBaron
I wrote those comair strike checks too. Probably making a fraction of what you were and with a new baby at home and delivering pizza part time to make ends meet. How bout you ace? Ever had to work two jobs while being an airline pilot to make ends meet?
No rewriting history here. I saw it happen before my own eyes. But you just keep having that delta attitude brother. You are giving all the good guys at delta a bigger hill to climb up to gain respect that you and guys with attitudes like yours keep tearing down.
And, I have always planned on having to interview for a job. No sense of entitlement here. I have had to interview for every job I have ever had and nobody has given me a damn thing. I have worked for everything I have. And I am proud of it!
As far as time goes, about 13000 hours and probly about 7000 TPIC. 6.5 year upgrade all while starting over at a new regional years ago.
And I am not upset with the endeavor/delta
flow. I have no desire to work for delta. I do get sick of the "im better than you" delta pilot attitude though. Cant tell you how many times i have been on a dl js with the captain spewing his insulting comments to the fo about us regional guys. (i even had one 75 Ca tell a fa the reason dl closed dfw was because of those damn lil rjs). Preciate ya.
All the while i show nothing but courtesy and respect to EVERY person on my js.
And how many times have i said hi or given a nod to a dl pilot in a terminal and received no acknowledgement in return?? Too many to count. So i dont do it anymore. Unless they do it first.
So just keep telling us how bad you have it ace. Its definitely entertaining.
No rewriting history here. I saw it happen before my own eyes. But you just keep having that delta attitude brother. You are giving all the good guys at delta a bigger hill to climb up to gain respect that you and guys with attitudes like yours keep tearing down.
And, I have always planned on having to interview for a job. No sense of entitlement here. I have had to interview for every job I have ever had and nobody has given me a damn thing. I have worked for everything I have. And I am proud of it!
As far as time goes, about 13000 hours and probly about 7000 TPIC. 6.5 year upgrade all while starting over at a new regional years ago.
And I am not upset with the endeavor/delta
flow. I have no desire to work for delta. I do get sick of the "im better than you" delta pilot attitude though. Cant tell you how many times i have been on a dl js with the captain spewing his insulting comments to the fo about us regional guys. (i even had one 75 Ca tell a fa the reason dl closed dfw was because of those damn lil rjs). Preciate ya.
All the while i show nothing but courtesy and respect to EVERY person on my js.
And how many times have i said hi or given a nod to a dl pilot in a terminal and received no acknowledgement in return?? Too many to count. So i dont do it anymore. Unless they do it first.
So just keep telling us how bad you have it ace. Its definitely entertaining.
I'll see your pizza delivery with washing dishes at a diner when I was 12. Worked plenty, and I'll save you any military anecdotes about working on a ship if you'll save me your "working class hero" sob story, brother.
Back to the point. Nobody's looking down on anybody..except for the 9E guys threatening to crap all over EtD new hires. That is the title of this thread, right? Don't come to 9E cause we'll make your life miserable and bust you back to the 172..talk about condescending and arrogant!
As for being professional and courteous..it runs both ways, and the vitriol spat at DL and mainline pilots is what started this whole argument in the first place.
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06-05-2014, 11:04 AM
#53
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Originally Posted by slats fail
Regionals are having lots of problems staffing right now because the appeal of this career has taken a major hit over the last 10 years. It's not the 1500 hour rule, its the realization that taking on monumental debt to be stuck at a regional at poverty wages for years on end is killing this career.
06-05-2014, 11:19 AM
#54
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 344
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carolina,
Our senior pilots would still vote scope sales if we had not shamed them for having done so. They've enjoyed cross collateralization of their pay and they have no intention of giving a penny back. You have to balance that knowledge with the fact they don't grasp the reality of the post deregulation market and they've had 50% of their earnings and pensions stripped away from them.
And your post is mostly correct, but not exactly correct. There was no small aircraft scope prior to roughly 1995. Several of the first deals were actually scope improvements. ASA was more of a codeshare partner than an express carrier back then. Not unlike Alaska is today.
Our senior pilots would still vote scope sales if we had not shamed them for having done so. They've enjoyed cross collateralization of their pay and they have no intention of giving a penny back. You have to balance that knowledge with the fact they don't grasp the reality of the post deregulation market and they've had 50% of their earnings and pensions stripped away from them.
And your post is mostly correct, but not exactly correct. There was no small aircraft scope prior to roughly 1995. Several of the first deals were actually scope improvements. ASA was more of a codeshare partner than an express carrier back then. Not unlike Alaska is today.
06-05-2014, 11:34 AM
#55
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
Right back atcha, ace..nobody gave me anything either..especially a preferred interview at Delta.
I'll see your pizza delivery with washing dishes at a diner when I was 12. Worked plenty, and I'll save you any military anecdotes about working on a ship if you'll save me your "working class hero" sob story, brother.
Back to the point. Nobody's looking down on anybody..except for the 9E guys threatening to crap all over EtD new hires. That is the title of this thread, right? Don't come to 9E cause we'll make your life miserable and bust you back to the 172..talk about condescending and arrogant!
As for being professional and courteous..it runs both ways, and the vitriol spat at DL and mainline pilots is what started this whole argument in the first place.
I'll see your pizza delivery with washing dishes at a diner when I was 12. Worked plenty, and I'll save you any military anecdotes about working on a ship if you'll save me your "working class hero" sob story, brother.
Back to the point. Nobody's looking down on anybody..except for the 9E guys threatening to crap all over EtD new hires. That is the title of this thread, right? Don't come to 9E cause we'll make your life miserable and bust you back to the 172..talk about condescending and arrogant!
As for being professional and courteous..it runs both ways, and the vitriol spat at DL and mainline pilots is what started this whole argument in the first place.
06-05-2014, 11:39 AM
#56
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Posts: 610
Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
They already did it to mainline pilots..using YOU to replace us. Where have you been for the last decade? Oh yeah, in the LEFT seat of an RJ flying OUR passengers to OUR cities and OUR gates. YOU undercut mainline jobs, YOU happily upgraded while mainline pilots were displaced and furloughed..where was the outrage then?? How about Comair giving the middle finger to DL furloughees who just wanted to swing gear and support their families. Lost pensions, 50% pay cuts, BK and mergers, it's already happened to mainline pilots..and we always had a myriad of RJ pilots ready to REPLACE us at a moments notice.
In return for fNWA pilots to flow BACK to the left seat of an Airlink RJ, DL is honoring the pre-merger fNWA agreement for CZ and SSP flows. How many other airlines would do that? How many fNWA pilots actually displaced into the left seat of an RJ? No mainline Capts were pay protected when they got displaced back to the right seat. Now DL offers EtD, effective only AFTER all the rest of you get a chance to sit in the left seat and get your shot at an SSP interview..and you still spit in DL's face as you whine about having to actually interview for a job at a company you evidently despise. Very well then, do us all a favor and take all that TMEL somewhere else. I'm sure there are lots of DL mainline FO's who would love to replace you in the left seat.
I've been told that it's time to turn the page on my furlough, but this whining from guys who replaced me and all this tough talk is so hypocritical it makes me sick. Next time you fly take a look in back and see how many pax have a ticket on YOUR airline, then take a look at your logbook and fill out your app to anywhere else but here.
In return for fNWA pilots to flow BACK to the left seat of an Airlink RJ, DL is honoring the pre-merger fNWA agreement for CZ and SSP flows. How many other airlines would do that? How many fNWA pilots actually displaced into the left seat of an RJ? No mainline Capts were pay protected when they got displaced back to the right seat. Now DL offers EtD, effective only AFTER all the rest of you get a chance to sit in the left seat and get your shot at an SSP interview..and you still spit in DL's face as you whine about having to actually interview for a job at a company you evidently despise. Very well then, do us all a favor and take all that TMEL somewhere else. I'm sure there are lots of DL mainline FO's who would love to replace you in the left seat.
I've been told that it's time to turn the page on my furlough, but this whining from guys who replaced me and all this tough talk is so hypocritical it makes me sick. Next time you fly take a look in back and see how many pax have a ticket on YOUR airline, then take a look at your logbook and fill out your app to anywhere else but here.
06-05-2014, 11:42 AM
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[QUOTE=CGfalconHerc;1658834]Right back atcha, ace..nobody gave me anything either..especially a preferred interview at Delta.
I'll see your pizza delivery with washing dishes at a diner when I was 12. Worked plenty, and I'll save you any military anecdotes about working on a ship if you'll save me your "working class hero" sob story, brother.
Wow! Some people had it REALLY tough
... when I grew up we dialed the telephone and talked into a receiver that was attached to the wall!
...we never had bicycle helmets, knee or shoulder pads. We built cool ramps and skinned our knees.
…we didn’t have carseats or use seatbelts. We often rode in the back of pickup trucks.
…we watched cartoons, (in B&W), on Saturday mornings only, because that’s the only time cartoons were on TV. And you had to get up off the couch to turn the dial on the TV when you wanted to change channnels. We had three channels – and one TV. The national anthem played at midnight when all the stations went off the air. If you weren’t home to watch your favorite TV show you missed out, because you didn’t have any way to record it.
…you had to rent a VCR when you rented a movie -VHS or Beta.
…it took an hour to bake a potato -in the oven.
I'll see your pizza delivery with washing dishes at a diner when I was 12. Worked plenty, and I'll save you any military anecdotes about working on a ship if you'll save me your "working class hero" sob story, brother.
Wow! Some people had it REALLY tough
... when I grew up we dialed the telephone and talked into a receiver that was attached to the wall!
...we never had bicycle helmets, knee or shoulder pads. We built cool ramps and skinned our knees.
…we didn’t have carseats or use seatbelts. We often rode in the back of pickup trucks.
…we watched cartoons, (in B&W), on Saturday mornings only, because that’s the only time cartoons were on TV. And you had to get up off the couch to turn the dial on the TV when you wanted to change channnels. We had three channels – and one TV. The national anthem played at midnight when all the stations went off the air. If you weren’t home to watch your favorite TV show you missed out, because you didn’t have any way to record it.
…you had to rent a VCR when you rented a movie -VHS or Beta.
…it took an hour to bake a potato -in the oven.
06-05-2014, 11:57 AM
#59
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I find it rather amusing that roughly 80% of all pilots here in the states are represented by the same union, and yet we all blame each other for where we are today. We elect our representatives, we vote in our contracts and here we are pointing fingers saying "it's all your fault" when ALPA is hard at work "representing us to the best of their ability".
06-05-2014, 12:12 PM
#60
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Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc
Not "holier than thou", buddy..more like stabbed in the back. But since you were hired before 911, looks like you want to rewrite history.
Big, bad, arrogant DL pilots wrote strike assessment checks to Comair pilots when they were out on strike to try and bring the RJ pilots closer to parity with mainline. I checked for Comair struck work while in the 72 out of CVG to help my fellow 121 brothers improve the profession, since only DL Mainline pilots could easily REPLACE Comair pilots and crush their strike. We helped Comair pilots become the highest paid RJ pilots in the industry..but I guess our efforts were no big deal since we all look down on RJ pilots and their families.
We had a "no furlough" clause in our C2K contract that gave RJ pilots unprecedented growth in addition to our pay rates...then came the RJDC that did nothing but perpetuate the "class warfare". But I guess I "sold" scope, knowing that 911, ect would put nearly all of DL's domestic lift in the boneyard. Then, after 911, the Comair MEC, refused to let furloughed DL pilots sit in the RIGHT seat to keep some income coming in.
Why do I have to keep telling this story?! Cause guys keep spinning the history to fit .."Big, bad DL is screwing us. They want us to actually interview for a job, even though there are 11k guys eagerly waiting for the same opportunity. Mainline DL pilots are arrogant jerks..they don't care about the RJ guys"..yeah, right buddy!
Wow, 3 base closures, downgrades, and you had to pay to non-rev on mainline? Yeah, you had it pretty bad. How long did it take you to upgrade to the left seat? How many hours of TPIC do you have? Why are you still at Xjt..didn't you apply to SWA or even DL when there was hiring back in 07-08?
You're in the front of the biggest hiring wave in history..with all that experience..you can go anywhere..just don't complain if you have to actually interview for the job at UAL, AA or SWA.
Remember, this whole thread is about 9E pilots being angry that they get SPECIAL consideration for a job at Delta..I don't get why y'all are so upset.
Good luck.
Big, bad, arrogant DL pilots wrote strike assessment checks to Comair pilots when they were out on strike to try and bring the RJ pilots closer to parity with mainline. I checked for Comair struck work while in the 72 out of CVG to help my fellow 121 brothers improve the profession, since only DL Mainline pilots could easily REPLACE Comair pilots and crush their strike. We helped Comair pilots become the highest paid RJ pilots in the industry..but I guess our efforts were no big deal since we all look down on RJ pilots and their families.
We had a "no furlough" clause in our C2K contract that gave RJ pilots unprecedented growth in addition to our pay rates...then came the RJDC that did nothing but perpetuate the "class warfare". But I guess I "sold" scope, knowing that 911, ect would put nearly all of DL's domestic lift in the boneyard. Then, after 911, the Comair MEC, refused to let furloughed DL pilots sit in the RIGHT seat to keep some income coming in.
Why do I have to keep telling this story?! Cause guys keep spinning the history to fit .."Big, bad DL is screwing us. They want us to actually interview for a job, even though there are 11k guys eagerly waiting for the same opportunity. Mainline DL pilots are arrogant jerks..they don't care about the RJ guys"..yeah, right buddy!
Wow, 3 base closures, downgrades, and you had to pay to non-rev on mainline? Yeah, you had it pretty bad. How long did it take you to upgrade to the left seat? How many hours of TPIC do you have? Why are you still at Xjt..didn't you apply to SWA or even DL when there was hiring back in 07-08?
You're in the front of the biggest hiring wave in history..with all that experience..you can go anywhere..just don't complain if you have to actually interview for the job at UAL, AA or SWA.
Remember, this whole thread is about 9E pilots being angry that they get SPECIAL consideration for a job at Delta..I don't get why y'all are so upset.
Good luck.
If not, why would you have anymore importance than a junior Comair FO? Just because they contract for Delta, doesn't make them the same company. You or any other furloughee are not entitled to a job at Comair anymore than a Comair guy, or now Endeavor guy, is at Delta. I think that's where people have an issue with your attitude. That and the whole "regional guys stole my job."
Like somebody else said, if you focused on bringing the regional flying in house, you'd get a nice little seniority bump and furlough protection. Maybe even an upgrade on a crj900? That's what we all want, jobs at mainline, not bickering between two pilot groups who want the same thing, but blame each other for their plight. Us regional pukes are essentially powerless, anytime improvements are sought, our flying can be stripped away and our jobs transfered to the next cheapest operator. We all want out as soon as possible. You mainline guys hold all the power and are the only ones who can enact positive change.
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