I've been in the corporate/charter/regional world most of my aviation career. So many years ago I had hopes and dreams of flying for Delta and to this day I'm still trying to get hired there, but after reading what Delta is trying to do at the regional level disgusts me. I hear so many guys at Delta say it's a great place to work and I believe it is, but what's to stop Delta management once they get the regional sector where they want it to not try and bust the mainline pilot's?

I've even heard some mainline pilots on here say we have taken their flying and now we are getting what we deserve, but most of us were just trying to find employment. When my charter/corporate gig had the writing on the wall of going bust I fortunately was able to get employed instead of the street.

I guess my points this - we are our own worse enemies at times. Did I or other regional pilots cause this problem by getting hired by our carriers rather than choosing the streets? Hands down we would have gone to a mainline, but that hasn't been an option really ever in my lifetime. The worse thing we can all do is blame the other pilot, but instead realize we are all in this together trying to be pilots and make a living to provide for our families or life goals. It would be nice if we ever saw the day that instead of trying to beat each other up we stood firm and all fought back at management when they tried to harm another pilot group.

 

I agree with you. If these new hires would hold out just a little longer, This ridiculous scheme of Delta would fall short. They would have to restructure there plan and incorporate all pilots into a flow. Win-Win

 

There will never be a pure flow for all pilots, NEVER. Delta will shut this place down before that ever happens.

 

Kforekyle,

That's what I'm hopefull for. I'm sure endeavor management is saying "this will fix our staffing". Hopefully they and Delta will both realize that qualified applicants aren't around every corner and will have to pay well and treat them well to attract qualified applicants. Hopefully with all the retirements kicking in pilots will be back in the driver's seat.

Lear

 

It's better to fight and die than to give up and conform!

 

ROFL "avenues of protest." Like a 99% strike vote and a labor-friendly NMB? Yeah that worked great for these guys last time.

You obviously haven't been in this industry too long, have you young whippersnapper?

I can't speak for the XJ or 9L groups, but as someone who flew for 9E, I can safely say you can't even comprehend what these guys have been through or what their mindset is right now--you have no idea.

 

Glad someone said it.

Everyone who works at Delta, regardless of their job or position should take notice of this. They can hang all the "World's Best/Most Admired Employees" signs they want, but what Delta is doing to the regionals right now is where the rubber meets the road. Delta acts like they care about people, as long as it serves their purposes. All Delta really cares about is money and control. They are showing their true colors as the ruthless mega corporation they are.

When all the regionals are gone, Delta will be screwing all of you World's Best just like they are to us now. Mark my words.

 

Where have you been? Ask that question of any pre-2007 hire at Delta.

 

How is incorporating all pilots into a flow win-win? Are you guys that incompetant at interviewing that your goal is to get a job without interviewing instead of raising the pay where you are currently at? By the time the first EtD pilot flows, every single pilot on your list will have interviewed at Delta. The ones that fail the interview will be able to get interviews at other carriers. I think this new flow program is a joke. It should just be laughed at by all of us. Maybe it works out for a few guys.

 

Well said CT. delta is ruthless. We at LASA have known this for a very long time. It sickens me every time I listen to the Skywest earnings call and they call delta our "partner". Haa! If I had a business and my business partner treated me like this, I wouldn't be his partner for long. But that seems to be the norm in corporate America these days