The SSP is not "Free" It was a Carrot on a stick concocted by Dal MGT and Dal MEC in order to sweeten the Pot so it would tip the scales on voting for the bankruptcy contract.

You'll hear stories about TW approaching LM and begging to save our jobs and then LM going to RA and RA looking at our Stellar performance record, has heart and they come up with the SSP and transition bonus. yea right! This was done by design.

Just look at the stipulations that have to remain in place for the SSP to remain in effect. It plays on the fear of loss for the pilots.
IE' we can't get rid of Alpa, because it will null and void the agreement. it effectively predisposes most pilots for loss and resistant to any status change. With that notion in place, it gives Mgt a high probability that they remain in control.

The SSP is not living up to its original intent as signed by this pilot group. Whether that Misinformation was distributed by Delta or the former MEC group, I don't know.

I do know that very specific questions that where asked and answered about the SSP and are indeed not the case today.

The last announcement is the latest Kick in the Nuts for us.

This SSP was a huge sacrifice the pilots at this company, massive pay cuts for the next 8yrs with penny raises during the life of the contract. massive Displacements of Capts to FO, Massive Base displacement.

FO top out at 4 yrs at $36/ hr on the 200 and $38/ hr on the 900

CA $84 on the 200 $87 on the 900

Loss of Vacation, Rate of VAC pay reduced.
Vac days are considered part of days of in bid month.

Loss of per diem, reduction in retirement contribution.

Mgt, Mechanics and Fa's are either in snapback or close to pre- bankruptcy amenities.

I would have much rather have had a 2-3 yr concessionary contract without the SSP.

I voted No for the contract… but that is water under the bridge.

I always love when a mainline guy says basically "you were obviously too stupid or lazy or have skeletons in your check ride closet if you didn't get hired in 07-08." Exactly how many tens of thousands regional, mil, and 91 guys were competing for how many hundreds of mainline jobs?

Again the numbers don't show that. Per the SSP agreement 1/3 or 12 slots per month min, after the flows have been accepted HAVE to be filled with endeavor SSP guys. Just yesterday 6/8 SSPs apparently made it. As the SSP works it way down the list to more hirable guys the numbers are going to go up. No conspiracy here.

Questions for the senior guys turned down early in the process. Did you buy a new suit, shirt, tie, shoes etc? If not, did all those items look new? Did you pay for interview prep? Did you have all of your school transcripts(high school through college, including days missed in high school highlighted (especially if you had very few)) in a folder in chronological order? Did you have all of your extracurricular, volunteer type things in said folder? I know a lot of this seems trivial, but interviewing is a game and they make the rules. Were your logbooks up to date and neat? It takes a lot of preparation to interview well an seperate yourself from the competition. Since HR has taken control over hiring in the last 30 years(vs pilots hiring pilots) these things are important. We as pilots may not agree, but thems the rules. It appears that the later rounds have got the message and are playing the game.

HR personnel are way out of touch. They are hiring based on boxes that need checking. We have had the worst of the worst get hired at mainline. The HR depts are about as competent as the TSA. They make horrible horrible decisions and guess who has to fly with the checked boxes?

yes, yes, yes, yes and yes…. new everything the only time I wore the Suit was fittings. Digital log book was over 600 pgs they commented that it was one of the thickest ones they saw… they asked for a date for a solo and bam! I had it they looked and where surprised I knew it…

I had a sense when AK met with us all in the morn, there was something he didn't like about me. My panel was 70 mins long, everyone else was 30-45 mins.

All of the guys that i have talked with who were hired, stated they were surprised at how easy the questions were, whereas the ones that were not offered a CJO had felt the questions were different in nature and much more ambiguous.

granted they have multiple question sets, many feel (including those CJO candidates) they have certain sets that are used for candidates that are hired.

As an outsider looking in and reading this post, I can certainly see that they would make comment that the difference was preparedness or the history of the applicant. you've got to remember that the HR team has the luxury of looking at our entire employment files which they don't have access too with an outside candidate.

The pilots that interviewed and double "bumped" all stated that they felt the outcome was predetermined before they even showed up.

The HR guy for my interview was not a happy guy, I got along great with the Pilots! they liked my answers, The HR did not! as with his comments after each answer.

I think the answer to the written tests is that they want consistency and accuracy. It doesn't matter if you finish the test or not, its all about the cadence.

Most that were hired felt they had done terrible on the tests and didn't complete them and so on.

I and another was told by AK, We are not considered for employment today nor the future. hmmm ok … WOW!!

Ehh what ever, its water under the bridge now.
It wasn't my day!

However now they want me to help them with their new hires?… that's why the anger with a lot of us.

Never mind. Not worth the effort.

I didn't say that. I never said you were stupid or lazy. You just added that to make me out to be the arrogant mainline snob who had his job handed to him and now looks down on all the poor RJ pukes..sorry, that's not what I said or what I think.

I always love RJ guys who b!tch about how bad they have it and then point the finger at mainline guys instead of doing something about it.

What I said was that Blue Baron was hired prior to 9/11, has 7000 TPIC, 13000 Total, and was very competitive in 07-08 for DL and SWA, who's been hiring in small numbers for a decade. If he hates DL and 9E, he can go somewhere else at any time.

Same for 9E FO's..I read on APC that SKW was offering jobs to candidates in the parking lot who had ATP mins and we're CRJ qualified. None of you have to stay somewhere that you don't want to be..especially now.

I get it. You hate 9E, you hate DL, you hate the SSP, DL's not hiring you so they can keep you in indentured servitude in the RJ. The only thing you have to look forward to is giving $h!t to a EtD new hire cause you paid your dues and he got preferential treatment before ever turning a wheel at 9E.

You got screwed..so screw the SSP.

Sounds like good reasons to go somewhere else.

Never said I hated anything or anyone. I dislike the dl pilots that give me sh*t for "stealing" their job when I had nothing to do with it. Funny how I never get the attitude from AA or UA pilots. Hmmm.

And believe me, my stuff has been out to all that are hiring. Along with thousands and thousands of other regional, corporate, and military folks. Prayerfully, when hiring gets firing on all cylinders my ticket will be punched. Until then, making the best of what I've got.

I promise that the AA and UAL pilots give the same attitude to Eagle and UAL express that you accuse us of.