Endeavor to Delta
10-15-2014, 05:36 AM
#191
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Originally Posted by Window_Seat
The point of my posts have been you guys failed to look into the future. Many pilot groups were hoping you guys would call Delta's bluff. After bankruptcy most of your list didn't have anything to loose since you guys top out at $37 an hour. You guys caved for a few thousand bucks and a preferential interview ruining the chances of raises at other carriers. Now you guys are on here complaining. My last post on this topic thread though. I've moved on...
It's cute that everyone forgets that American Eagle Airlines did the same thing! They voted in concessions.
They were asked to take concessions again and said no. They called AAG's bluff. Too bad it wasn't a bluff.
I really have to wonder why we let ALPA fund these money losing MECs that just want to play hardball. I mean, ASA/XJT could have had a contract ages ago but nope, they decided to hold it up all for PBS.
ShyGuy, you should know better - you went to a non-Union shop... Good luck with the organizing drive.
10-15-2014, 05:58 AM
#192
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Originally Posted by DL31082
Guys 9E would have ended up with this contract either way. If they had voted no management would have taken on the SSP and the longevity bonuses. Then they would have present the same contract, minus those items, to the BK judge and they would have gotten it. The only difference is 9E would be in negotiations right now and we now how good management is at drawing out negotiations. 9Es situation is nothing like PSA or Piedmonts.
10-15-2014, 06:03 AM
#193
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
How can you be so sure of this. Delta was not in BK. A BK judge looks out for the creditors not the company wanting to buy a busted company. The Pinnacle management company could have had a better time forcing a deal through a judge, but not Delta. Delta would have to show that the labor contract is in fact the reason for BK, also since you no longer working as a Delta contract carrier, if Delta buys you, it would be difficult to show that Delta could not afford to pay your old labor rates. The entire business model changed. No, the only way to get screwed as hard as you did is to vote for it.
10-15-2014, 06:08 AM
#194
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How did Pinnacle offer their pilots Delta interviews in a labor contract.
10-15-2014, 06:34 AM
#195
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
How did Pinnacle offer their pilots Delta interviews in a labor contract.
10-15-2014, 06:34 AM
#196
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Does anyone have the current pay scales for endeavor? Do you guys get paid block or better?
10-15-2014, 06:39 AM
#197
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The pay rates on APC are accurate. Yes, we get block or better with a 4 hour min day. Unless you live in NYC I wouldn't come here...and even then...I live in NY, don't commute, and I am even considering a lateral move now. FO attrition has been going through the roof and if it outpaces CA attrition the companies plans go to hell again. More downgrades!!!
10-15-2014, 07:23 AM
#198
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Damn you, dirty stinkin 9E!!!!!!!!
Now, I have to vote on my own contract!
Now, I have to vote on my own contract!
10-15-2014, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Damn you, dirty stinkin 9E!!!!!!!!
Now, I have to vote on my own contract!
Now, I have to vote on my own contract!
10-15-2014, 07:59 AM
#200
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
It's cute that everyone forgets that American Eagle Airlines did the same thing! They voted in concessions.
They were asked to take concessions again and said no. They called AAG's bluff. Too bad it wasn't a bluff.
I really have to wonder why we let ALPA fund these money losing MECs that just want to play hardball. I mean, ASA/XJT could have had a contract ages ago but nope, they decided to hold it up all for PBS.
ShyGuy, you should know better - you went to a non-Union shop... Good luck with the organizing drive.
They were asked to take concessions again and said no. They called AAG's bluff. Too bad it wasn't a bluff.
I really have to wonder why we let ALPA fund these money losing MECs that just want to play hardball. I mean, ASA/XJT could have had a contract ages ago but nope, they decided to hold it up all for PBS.
ShyGuy, you should know better - you went to a non-Union shop... Good luck with the organizing drive.
The pay rates on APC are accurate. Yes, we get block or better with a 4 hour min day. Unless you live in NYC I wouldn't come here...and even then...I live in NY, don't commute, and I am even considering a lateral move now. FO attrition has been going through the roof and if it outpaces CA attrition the companies plans go to hell again. More downgrades!!!
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