Lone Palm

Option B may be close. Management has been very clear in their messages at Endeavor that they will not be raising pay and are focused on attracting pilots through upgrades. The question is, how are they going to try and accomplish this?

CarolinaAngler

Old news. Actions speak louder than words. Their answer to the commuting problems in NYC is a company shuttle. Not hotels, not parking, not COLA. They have been talking about upgrades for almost 2 years now as way to attract new hires. Talk is cheap. Show me.

Mesabah

There are no more airplanes in the Delta system for explosive 9E growth. Even if we get more RJ's, we need 2400 apps to fill a class of 30 at current EtD hiring rates. Meanwhile, UA/AA/LUV, etc, are spreading into all of the markets we can't staff. Without major cultural changes around here, we are becoming Comair 2.0, and Delta is becoming Pan Am 2.0.

Lone Palm

I'm with ya, my left hand has callouses on it from swinging gear for the better part of a decade. Delta could fix the problem tomorrow if they wanted to but they'd rather put lipstick on a pig.

Dunkin

They could shift aircraft from other regionals to Endeavor once the CPAs are up. Possibly some mix of 700/900s from multiple carriers plus the 30 900 options would create enough growth to count as explosive once you get down to 81 aircraft and 1000 pilots, add an ATL base to that and you would have tons of pilot jumping ship from other regionals. I guess we will see here in the next 12-18 months which route they will take.

Mesabah

Delta will not hire the pilots from other regionals here at 9E.

gojo

Ya, they were a little too aggressive with 9E. Now attrition is outpacing their 200 parking plan, and they're going, oh $hit, we need to find someone to operate some of these in the interim. But did they just show their hand to Skywest? We'll see I guess

Snickers

Thus, my post on then previous page with the exception of delta becoming pan am 2.0. Your hatred towards Delta is misguided, Delta is a business like any other and flaws in company culture within American capitolism can be found anywhere not just the airlines. Frankly, I think AA has treated Eagle worse than how Delta treated Endeavor.

higney85

Not to insinuate anything, but do you have any proof to this statement? From what I've seen it has been irrelevant. Many are interviewing as NOT their "first rodeo" in 121, some even current and past DCI. I know the matrix for all airline hiring seems to be as secret as the coke recipe and the KFC chicken recipe, but I am curious where this statement comes into play.

No matter how you see it, the end result is a DL interview (and future impedence if unsuccessful) to work at a regional that can easily be described as "a question mark" hasn't led to a successful hiring drive.

A few simple changes could change a number of assumptions, but mgmt is dead set (seemingly) on getting to 81 to reset to a healthy sinus rythym. Someone knows something, but yea.... Gotta see to believe at this point.

ShyGuy

What massive growth?

You can't use XJT's bankruptcy as an example because the era of 2002-2007 saw tremendous growth in regional airlines (and subsequent street CAs to less than 2 yrs for CA seats), while mainline pilots were furloughed by the thousands. And today Mesa and PSA are in different situations. PSA is gaining 47 CR7s from legacy Eagle/Envoy so that's not a net gain. That's a shift from one carrier to another. Mesa has new AA flying coming and that is new, but limited. And when it comes to the DCI system, there is no room for "massive growth." The 88 B717s are taking over old CRJ routes (as it always should have been). The Delta PWA limits the number of 50 and 70 seater RJ aircraft. They seem like a tough group now in terms of protecting scope, so there won't be relief on it to allow regionals to "grow massively."


You shouldn't want to wait until it hits 81 planes. It'll be too late by then. Not sure where any rumors for growth are coming are, but see the paragraph above in regards to regional growth versus the Delta PWA limits.

How do you see upgrades when they are still parking a 100+ fleet down to 81? In your case I would go to Compass. They have the same bases DTW/MSP. You don't have to commute to PSA. You haven't missed the boat on Compass. They have CAs leaving next year to Delta for the flow (120?). They are also receiving new EJets for the AA flying. As for the 'working theory' of a Delta flow/job, I wouldn't count on it. Delta already showed their cards with the SSP and the EtD.

9E mgt only needs ~950-1000 pilots to staff 81 planes. Anything above is that is a surplus. They are not hiring in big numbers and letting attrition take care of the rest.