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Farmlover 05-10-2017 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 2361587)
DTW isn't much better unfortunately. And more 900 flying is scheduled to shift out of DTW and MSP to New York after the summer flying season. There have been a few secondary vacancies filled in DTW, none in MSP, and no primary vacancies in either position. The 200 has been similar, though the 200's in New York are supposed to start moving to ATL and DTW soon.
June bid packs post tomorrow, and schedules a week later, let's see how it looks with the summer flying.

Dtw has a good junk of captains on ssp that are leaving here soon that will open up some spots. Still movement going on.

HighFlight 05-10-2017 06:40 PM

Yes, but aren't most of those the 10-13 year CAs? No movement off the top will equate to the same stagnation as FOs fill those spots, but have no room to move up above the current spots.


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 2361592)
Dtw has a good junk of captains on ssp that are leaving here soon that will open up some spots. Still movement going on.


HighFlight 05-10-2017 06:51 PM

58 CAs were awarded ATL on the past two bids. Two from 17-01 are no longer with us. That leaves 56 CAs, hire dates range from Oct 99 to Oct 16, ISL #s from 169 to 1523. The bottom 23 folks were hired on Feb 15 or later.

It remains to be seen if the remaining 44 CAs come from the current CA crowd, or upgrade into ATL as the summer progresses. Feb 16 is the most junior new hire who had previous 121 time; the four CAs below him were all return-to-work folks. It will get interesting as 2016 new hires hit the 1,000 hour mark in the next 2-6 months.

Avroman 05-10-2017 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Farmlover (Post 2361592)
Dtw has a good junk of captains on ssp that are leaving here soon that will open up some spots. Still movement going on.

There are about 10 DTW 900 that will be leaving this month or next... yet there were no primary vacancies from 17-01 or 02... that means that those positions are shifting to New York and those pilots aren't being replaced in DTW. That is movement backwards for DTW pilots as they were the bottom reserve pilots.. now the top reserves will fall to the bottom and former lineholders will be back on reserve. DTW has lost over 1/3rd of its 900 captains without replacement over the last year or so.

WhiskeyKilo 05-10-2017 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by Bornflying (Post 2361501)
To be clear here, we are saying 10 years to hold line as CA, but how long to make CA reserve other than NY?

You need to understand how bidding for a position works. Right now the company is only putting new FO's in NYC and ATL. Until the last vacancy no CA positions in DTW and MSP had been back filled but now we are starting to see secondary vacancies pop up for DTW and MSP on the CA side. Would you be able to get DTW or MSP with under 5 years of seniority? Probably not but this company is moving people around so fast next year DTW could be the junior base again. Predicting position availability 6 months down the road is just about as accurate as blindly throwing a dart at a dart board.

msprj2 05-10-2017 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 2361648)
There are about 10 DTW 900 that will be leaving this month or next... yet there were no primary vacancies from 17-01 or 02... that means that those positions are shifting to New York and those pilots aren't being replaced in DTW. That is movement backwards for DTW pilots as they were the bottom reserve pilots.. now the top reserves will fall to the bottom and former lineholders will be back on reserve. DTW has lost over 1/3rd of its 900 captains without replacement over the last year or so.

Isn't that because we opened up
A NY 900 domicile? The planes had to come from somewhere.

flynfish77 05-10-2017 08:35 PM

Do it....
 

Originally Posted by Bornflying (Post 2361008)
Green Needles, you make is sound like I would be stuck in NYC forever. In your opinion, how long would you guess getting ATL would be? If it takes a little over a year to upgrade, doesn't that mean you'd be halfway up the FO line in about a half a year? How bad is it commuting? How many days could I expect to be home? How many "commutable" lines are there? Any tricks to be home more?

Yes it makes sense with an upgrade i'd be back in NYC..but with more days off correct? I suppose that would mean being back on reserve for a while.

I'd be leaving a higher paying corporate/charter gig to come here, but being on call 24/7, hardly knowing any days off in advance, no job security (can sell the plane any time), combined with being home 10 days a month (yes I know initially I would be home even less) makes this look attractive in comparison.

As far as job progression, having time in a larger aircraft (compared to corporate) I think is invaluable experience to be gained. I think it is very hard for the majors to consider you without that kind of experience or military time.

I'm facing either being stuck in corporate forever or taking this chance to get into something different, and by all accounts it looks like there's never been a better time to go to the regionals. These kind of pay scales and upgrade times were unheard of only a few years ago. Do you disagree with that?

Regarding all things ATL...
I made the move from a 135 gig in ATL area and couldn't be happier for the same reasons you stated.
I commute ATL-LGA and it can be challenging sometimes (weather delays etc.) most of the time the commute isn't that bad due to many options if you don't mind the jumpseat. I have already been awarded ATL (6 months on property) and will be holding a line there as soon as I get moved from LGA where I only sat reserve for 2 weeks after IOE. The ATL base will continue to grow and I have friends still in training that just missed getting it last vacancy notice. Expect no more than a few months in NYC if any.

One more thought regarding upgrades and all of this stagnation talk....
The 200's are all leaving NYC market for ATL. Unless there is something I'm not considering it will become the most JR 200 base for both seats = not having to upgrade yourself back to NYC, ever.

Urbandrone 05-11-2017 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by Bornflying (Post 2361501)
To be clear here, we are saying 10 years to hold line as CA, but how long to make CA reserve other than NY?

Here are the clear numbers. A few bad apples make this sound a lot worse than it is at EDV. I am very happy with my job here and recommend this airline to anyone looking for experience, quality of life and money. This is one of the best regionals now hands down. Upgrade is quick, holding a line as a captain is quick. If you choose the most senior base you will be on reserve for a long while, as with any airline. 5 day trips that by contract are commutable on both sides allows for 15 days off with 15 days home even as a commuter. Also remember if you hold a line you can pick up trips in any domicile. *Also There are only 22 pilots hired between 12/08 and 10/14, so anything '08 as a line holder will be jumping to '14 or '15 line holder soon (this summer), even DTW 200 should be holing a line with '14 hires soon.

Most Jr. CA
JFK 900 12/16 Line holder last month 3/08*
JFk 200 11/16 Line holder last month 5/15
LGA 900 1/16 LIne holder last month 12/08*
LGA 200 6/16 Line holder last month 10/15
ATL 200 10/15 Lineholder will be around 5/15
DTW 200 8/15 Line holder last month 10/07*
DTW 900 1/08 Line holder last month 11/07
MSP 200 11/07 Line holder last month 10/07
MSP 900 5/07 Line holder last month 9/05

whoareyou311 05-11-2017 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyKilo (Post 2361658)
You need to understand how bidding for a position works. Right now the company is only putting new FO's in NYC and ATL. Until the last vacancy no CA positions in DTW and MSP had been back filled but now we are starting to see secondary vacancies pop up for DTW and MSP on the CA side. Would you be able to get DTW or MSP with under 5 years of seniority? Probably not but this company is moving people around so fast next year DTW could be the junior base again. Predicting position availability 6 months down the road is just about as accurate as blindly throwing a dart at a dart board.

This is mostly correct except one huge mistake....there have been zero secondaries awarded for MSP captains....ZERO. Don't expect to come here and ever be a MSP CA. There have been a few DTW secondaries awarded on both the 900 and 200...but if you look at the numbers they still shrank the overall pilot numbers as there were still a few secondaries that went unfilled.

Bartok 05-11-2017 05:47 AM

Y'all need to stop looking at "years" of service as an indicator of our seniority list.

Block made sure of that.


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