If I had to guess, Delta is probably done with concrete ASA's. There is no appetite for regional IPO's in the future for Wall Street. Delta can operate wholly owned airlines with full flexibility, and none of the risk.

Ok, I see what you're saying. Not a bad idea...


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Why open vacancies for aircraft coming out in aug? This is the correct time. Read the flight ops updates.

The flight ops updates don't give anything official. We have no idea how long these planes are coming back for either.

We have 26 200s I think now. They refurbished 36 I think. I'm not very smart but if they refurbished 36 I think that's the number they would fly

any idea if new hires will be able to got straight to the 900 or will they all be going to the 200?

They are holding both. Depends on what base you want

Mesaba/Delta/Northwest refurbished the Saabs right before they went back to the lessor and off to Silver.

What if you want NY base?

NY is 900 only.

I know, thats why I was hoping that it will still be possible to get a 900 out of NY as a new hire in the sept/oct time frame, anyone have any ideas?

I hope that as well! I should have the hours by that time! If I get hire i want New York base!

Shouldn't be s problem


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It's amazing the how many CJO's are being offered now. I guess the candidates are coming in much more prepared. Glad the Fo's are getting some good news 7 years later. Definitely a reason to stick around. According to ALPA they are saying 80 something percent?

Minus the previous post

Getting NYC as your base will never be a problem, it's the most junior.

That check airman dude said that the 20+ airplanes will arrive about 2 to 3 per month starting summer. We have to award the upgrades now for adequate (anticipated) training availability with the single sim. God knows where some may be sent. In total, that should nearly double the current -200 captains. We will see.

By July we will have 3 dedicated 200 sims. 2 in MSP and 1 in PHX.

Any idea how long a new hire can expect to be on reserve?

If we can keep hiring like this a new hire today shouldn't be on reserve for more than a few months depending on aircraft and base. With that said, I am a 4.5 year FO in JFK and I'm still on reserve...but the bulk of the new hire wave post bonus announcement are just starting to hit the line. Movement will be much faster with new classes starting monthly. The variable is keeping able bodied people filling class!

Thinking about throwing my app in with Endeavor. How is life for the new FO's? Is training in MSP? Where can a new FO expect to be based? Also curious about the Delta flow program. If you are employed by Endeavor do you have to wait until your seniority number comes up to get on with Delta, or can you interview outside of the flow program if you are competitive enough?

Thanks for any info you can toss my way.

We are basically hiring into all bases (MSP and DTW on the CRJ-200 and LGA and JFK mostly on the 900. DTW 900 is going very junior also...could be available within a few months at most if not right away. MSP 900 is more senior though but for perspective was recently awarded to a April 2014 new hire. (for further perspective that is only ~100 numbers up the seniority list though.)

Ground school is done in MSP. Sims are usually in MSP but at times can be in other places. About the SSP vs off the street, we have had several FO's and captains get hired outside of the SSP.

Thank you for the information. Does the retention bonus start the day you are hired or at another point, like after training is complete?

I am little worried about being on reserve for an extended period of time. I live in Florida and would like to commute. I know that commuting sucks, but it would mean the best situation for my family.

The way the retention bonus is set up, you will get credit for the entire month of the month you start class.

Thank you! Good to know.

One more question, how are they with Guard and Reserve duty? I know they "have to let you go," but how are they in "real life?" Any issues, concerns?

The retention bonus goes in periods (jan-april, may-aug, sep-dec) and paid out the month after the period ends. If you are hired in the middle of one of these periods your retention bonus is pro-rated starting at your date of hire.

With regard to reserve that is the hard question to answer as you know I'm sure. With sustained movement you shouldnt be on reserve for too long, and thus far this year we have not had any major hiccups in hiring. All things considered though, past performance doesn't predict future results, as they say.

Being in the guard was one of my biggest reasons for going to a regional. So far I'm happy with the move from that standpoint. I got jacked around pay wise once, but that was under the old regime. Now for pay discrepancies, I've never had a fuss, and never taken more than a day to correct....whether the pay issue was in regards to military or otherwise. So yeah, this is pretty MIL friendly.

Thank you, block. I appreciate the honest answer. I am in the Guard also and it's always one of my first questions when looking at a potential new employer.

Not a flow.

And the SSP hasn't been extended to newhires yet.

Just curious where you got those numbers. Todays union email says 24-25 total airframes for the remainder of the year. Thats an increase over what was planned.

Something to note. Airframes and lines of flying are different. We may operate 17 lines of flying for 21 airframes, or 24 lines of flying with 25 airframes. The key point is actual airframes. Planes sitting as spares don't make money, but you will always need more airframes compared to lines to have mx frames and spares. Pretty sure the number for June was 17 lines and 20 frames. That was a spare per base and 1 for scheduled mx. With 23 lines and 25-26 frames block hours go up a good bit. Last I was told was 32 lines and 36 frames as the plan with hiring. Good bit of movement to make that work.

So why won't the MEC/company just say that instead of 24-25 "shells" planned through year's end. 36 is way different than 25 as far as prospects are concerned.

204 CRJ's down to 100 something, not to mention parking the Q-400's is a great way to deal with pilot shortage. Parking aircraft really helped...not bonuses. People forget so soon...

Who picked up that flying or did it just go away?

Now I know why in Endeavor has a barf bag for each seat!

The 900 now goes where the 200 primarily went, and the 900 routes were mostly replaced by the 717. Delta up-sized most NWA overlapping markets, and simply stopped serving others. I looked at my logbook the other day, and there are tons of small cities in there we don't go to anymore.

Weird, don't usually see thank you Block in the same sentence with a positive tone

I wouldn't expect Delta to hard commit to any number on the 200 ever again. They don't have to at Endeavor anyway. Starting mid summer the 200s come back at 1 to 2 per month till we get 50, if we can staff them. That means around 30ish by the end of 2015. This was from management a month ago,which is subject to change at any time.