What is Bloch exactly? Hear it in every 9E thread, appreciate the clarification.

Bloch is the name of the arbitrator who decided the terms of our integrated seniority list from XJ, 9E and 9L. He basically took the relative seniority of everyone at their pre merger airline and folded it into one. The problem is that The 3 individual pilot groups were of varying sizes and longevity overall. So the end result is some pilots who were hired years after others winding up senior to them as a result of the "bloch award". Needless to say it is a very sore subject that will finally be over next year.

Richard Bloch was the arbitrator that created the seniority list of the merger Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan groups in 2011, now known as "Endeavor Air".

The seniority list is not going to change, but the conditions and restrictions of the award from June 16, 2011 is in force until June 16, 2016 (pretty sure it was the 16th..). 5 years from release. The Bloch award has some pieces that are still impacting awards for captain vacancy bids.

Mesaba (XJ) must have 279 -900 CA positions, and Pinnacle (legacy-9E) must have 95.

For -200 CA positions the numbers are 541 9E and 100 XJ, but due to the parking of -200's far below 641 -200 CA's, the captain vacancies are awarded at a ratio of 5.4:1 between premerger 9E and XJ.

What this means is that CA seats for the -900 go a bit junior to hit the XJ number of 279, then seniority rules overall. For the -200's coming back it will be ALL premerger pinnacle and Mesaba at a ratio of 5.4:1, which also tends to go a bit more junior by seniority number.

Hope that explains it in a cliffnotes version.

Saw some colgan awarded -200 captain slots too. Do they still get to hold -200 CA under Bloch

Bloch award is basically one pilot group, or maybe two with the inability to agree on DOH. The end result is a botched seniority list, or maybe a lottery ticket for some.

The Bloch award was a standard industry equipment merger. The problem was the union failed to say that it was 99% going to wind up this way no matter what. Thus, the fighting. ALPA would have never let a DRC, and not an arbitrator, make the call. The lawsuits would have been epic.

I think you may have misread the award, I dont see any colgan guys awarded 200 CA, maybe it was just a base change.

This is nothing like Delta / NWA merger. Not even close. The DOH could have, and should have been finalized. That was the option...figure it out, or have Bloch rule on it....and he did.

Quick question on bidding stuff, what is the difference between primary and secondary positions being open?

Primary vacancies are openings that were originally on the vacancy announcement. Secondaries are vacancies created when someone moves out of their current position into a primary vacancy. Primary vacancies will be filled by the company. The secondaries do not necessarily have to be filled if the company chooses not to.

Told ya! :)

Ok thanks. In training now and looking to see where some of us will get placed

For sure the primary vacancies remaining will be offered to new hires in seniority order. The secondaries, while I hope the company offers all them to bid on, they are not obligated to offer them as far as I know. Good luck and please...come to JFK so I can get a line! j/k

haha I am trying DTW if I can

Did you start indoc yesterday?

Quick question... are there plans for EFBs in the near future and do you guys have to carry around a case of Jepps?

Still carry paper charts. Will not happen this year (not in the budget), possibly next year. Likely Surface tablets.

No where close to any relative seniority for me amigo.

Nope. Only premerger pinnacle and Mesaba. If a Colgan guy isn't currently a 200 CA, it won't be legal to be held as an award until Bloch expires in the middle of 2016.

Thanks all, greatly appreciated.
Looking into 9E in a few months, still a ways to go.

Yes I did.

Thanks...Applying here soon!

VP of Flight Ops said today in the new hire class that an announcement will be made about a new SSP program for everyone not involved in the last program in around 1-3 weeks. No specifics, but thought I'd pass along the info for anyone interested!

I'm going to be applying soon, do you know how many hours they want you to have before an interview?

They will interview you if you are within 10% of mins.

Nearly there. Thanks!

No worries, best of luck. Got the invite to interview next week...looking forward to it.

Best of luck to you too...Feel free to drop me a gouge!

All the gouges I found online since Feb were accurate. Not a difficult interview at all.

Latest and greatest is I passed my type ride yesterday woooo! Anyone want any help/advice for theirs coming up lemme know. Thing was a 3 hour beast but pretty straightforward. Harder than a KC-10 checkride though :-D

I'm also in the current class.

Some things never change, I see.

It is SOOO much different from what you remember... no more ridiculous Memphis Mafia shizzle. It's mainly former XJ people in the training department, very pleasant in my last checking event.

No excuse not to know the double boxed limitations.

The kobayashi maru Memphis style.

Except that you cannot easily reprogram the simulator...and if you did you would certainly not get a commendation for 'original thinking'.

Awesome news. Welcome aboard.

Where are the newhires being sent to now? I live in MSP and would like to be based there. Not too concerned about equipment type although the 9 is preferred.

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There were a dozen unfilled vacancies in MSP on the last award. Odds are quite good you'd hold it out of training or, at the latest, shortly thereafter.

Congrats and welcome to Endeavor!!!