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DeltaCorrectons 04-23-2019 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 2807115)
I know it’s one of those “ I have a friends uncles brother” hearsay rumors on an Internet forum but I posted in the PSA forum a few weeks ago that I was told by someone who was at the meeting in ATL that Delta actually is giving preference to AA WOs pilots that meet their hiring metrics as a strategic business move. They said it would be ramping up over the next few years to strain AAs feed. This person has a position in the company to know this kind of information and no reason to lie about it.

I’m going to throw the bull****** flag. Delta would be stupid to try to pull something like that when looking at the number of retirements that American has coming up knowing American would turn around and be able to drain every DCI carrier or captains in a single year if they felt like it.

TalkTurkey 04-23-2019 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 2807176)
I hope it turns into a cut throat free for all in a few years!!

Yea because the legacy carriers are having trouble staff their planes, right? Congrats on posting some of the dumbest stuff ever.

Rotor2prop 04-23-2019 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DeltaCorrectons (Post 2807406)
I’m going to throw the bull****** flag. Delta would be stupid to try to pull something like that when looking at the number of retirements that American has coming up knowing American would turn around and be able to drain every DCI carrier or captains in a single year if they felt like it.

I’m just passing along what I know. I will say I heard this straight out of the mouth of someone who sits in one of the big corner offices at Delta. Of course this is something that would never be more than rumor because of the obvious reasons. Delta is already hiring more AA WOs than AA is off the street especially PSA.

Rotor2prop 04-23-2019 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 2807411)
Yea because the legacy carriers are having trouble staff their planes, right? Congrats on posting some of the dumbest stuff ever.

I nor anyone else said the legacy carriers were or will have staffing issues. They likely never will but good strategy is the key to successful business. I don’t think it’s “the dumbest stuff ever” by any means! It’s a way to slow DCI depletion and slightly weaken AAs feed and mainline flows causing a double edged sword of financial cost. Just a very slight increase in hiring targeting a few people from each WO AA regional costs AA a lot overall. Regional recruiting costs, training cycles, and higher wages to retain regional pilots until their flow date plus increased ots recruiting and HR positions at mainline. Sounds pretty expensive to me. You have to understand that at the level of management that makes these strategies they don’t have the human aspect of the business as a priority it’s all numbers!

We see in these threads every week about how Delta can’t make their mind up or keep DCI management quite and seemingly disengaged from employees. Do you think they really don’t know how to make decisions? No! It’s just Deltas strategy nothing less! I can say without a shred of doubt that that’s how they do business and it’s not a “ the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing” thing at all. I mean look at the lines of BS they have fed Endeavor about growth. Are they lying about what’s coming to you there? Possibly but highly unlikely! They are making a bit of planned instability to keep you on edge and humble so no one ends up “Comaired” with them looking like the heros!

MuPpET 04-23-2019 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 2807467)
I nor anyone else said the legacy carriers were or will have staffing issues. They likely never will but good strategy is the key to successful business. I don’t think it’s “the dumbest stuff ever” by any means! It’s a way to slow DCI depletion and slightly weaken AAs feed and mainline flows causing a double edged sword of financial cost. Just a very slight increase in hiring targeting a few people from each WO AA regional costs AA a lot overall. Regional recruiting costs, training cycles, and higher wages to retain regional pilots until their flow date plus increased ots recruiting and HR positions at mainline. Sounds pretty expensive to me. You have to understand that at the level of management that makes these strategies they don’t have the human aspect of the business as a priority it’s all numbers!

We see in these threads every week about how Delta can’t make their mind up or keep DCI management quite and seemingly disengaged from employees. Do you think they really don’t know how to make decisions? No! It’s just Deltas strategy nothing less! I can say without a shred of doubt that that’s how they do business and it’s not a “ the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing” thing at all. I mean look at the lines of BS they have fed Endeavor about growth. Are they lying about what’s coming to you there? Possibly but highly unlikely! They are making a bit of planned instability to keep you on edge and humble so no one ends up “Comaired” with them looking like the heros!

Whoa! I never thought about this but you're absolutely right!!! Delta's complex masterpiece strategy to beat AA revealed here for all to see and the best part, there's nothing AA can do to stop it! Unless maybe, just maybe they have people there with IQs that rival yours and will sniff this plan out, but it seems so complicated on the surface that I doubt they can. This could be the final deathblow for AA.

gloopy 04-23-2019 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 2807176)
I hope it turns into a cut throat free for all in a few years!!

It probably will but not because of this. Its a zero sum game and this has been an on and off again thing for decades. In the grand scheme of things nothing will change and no airline will harm any other to any significant extent. Hiring LCC pilots OTOH very well may...

Rotor2prop 04-23-2019 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MuPpET (Post 2807475)
Whoa! I never thought about this but you're absolutely right!!! Delta's complex masterpiece strategy to beat AA revealed here for all to see and the best part, there's nothing AA can do to stop it! Unless maybe, just maybe they have people there with IQs that rival yours and will sniff this plan out, but it seems so complicated on the surface that I doubt they can. This could be the final deathblow for AA.

Wow! Your reply is a classic example of why no one on APC can discuss anything or share opinions civilly! Congratulations! There is no “master plan” it’s just one part of a simple business strategy. I don’t know where you got the idea “This could be the final death blow to AA” that’s just silly! A strategy like this is just applying a squeeze to AA the same way they do by competing for market share in high yield markets.

Rotor2prop 04-23-2019 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2807476)
It probably will but not because of this. Its a zero sum game and this has been an on and off again thing for decades. In the grand scheme of things nothing will change and no airline will harm any other to any significant extent. Hiring LCC pilots OTOH very well may...

Overall I agree with you! I don’t think the strategy I mentioned above will cause any real true harm to AAs business it’s just another piece to keep the market more competitive. The big three have been at this private chess game for a long time! I’m sure similar choices are made at AA and United where taking three applicants with similar backgrounds and choosing hiring the competitions regional pilots over weakening your own. It just makes business sense.

Mesabah 04-23-2019 11:42 AM

The fact that no airline is starting a fare war in the middle of the largest margins ever, is proof the airlines are no longer at each other’s throats.

TalkTurkey 04-23-2019 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 2807579)
Wow! Your reply is a classic example of why no one on APC can discuss anything or share opinions civilly! Congratulations! There is no “master plan” it’s just one part of a simple business strategy. I don’t know where you got the idea “This could be the final death blow to AA” that’s just silly! A strategy like this is just applying a squeeze to AA the same way they do by competing for market share in high yield markets.

These low-blowing silly tactics are not only absurd but you’re accusing a major corporation of railroading another for no real reason. I’d wonder if your slander is borderline litigation worthy. Have you seen Deltas quarterlies? Are they having any kind of problems at all? If so then I’d half believe this. Reads more like sinister bull butter to me.


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