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preflight 12-01-2021 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by Zerosilver84 (Post 3329450)
Like you knew the requirements to flow. If you have no intention of meeting them aka get the vaccine then don't say you will accept the flow. The ones who are fighting it aren't going to win...and by some luck if anyone does win is going to be a micro percentage. If you don't want to get the vaccine then stay here or find an airline that doesn't require it.

All good up until they want something you don't have, like empathy...

Zerosilver84 12-01-2021 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by preflight (Post 3329470)
All good up until they want something you don't have, like empathy...

Dunno if you're saying I don't have empathy. I personally could careless if your vax or not. I also think it's ridiculous that it was made mandatory for companies to make employees get it. So yeah it's bs..but you knew what was required before the flow even started.

Casualinterest 12-01-2021 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Svfr (Post 3329446)
There are multiple flow pilots who accepted the flow after being told the Covid vaccine requirement would apply to them, who are now fighting Delta tooth and nail about getting exemptions and will probably end up in forfeited spots when they don't get them

This is absolutely not true. They mentioned in the conference call, the podcast, and the q&a email that this would be the case. And if they didn't bother to read or listen to any of these before accepting the flow then they should lose their spots (regardless of the vaccine opinion). Being this uniformed is painful

13pro 12-01-2021 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by Casualinterest (Post 3329623)
This is absolutely not true. They mentioned in the conference call, the podcast, and the q&a email that this would be the case. And if they didn't bother to read or listen to any of these before accepting the flow then they should lose their spots (regardless of the vaccine opinion). Being this uniformed is painful

Except they can still ask for (and likely receive) a religious exemption. Also, the government contractor mandate, as well as the “over 100” employee mandate, are both on hold. The CMS mandate (which isn’t anything to do with airlines, but healthcare) is also on hold now. The courts are all pretty well suspending these mandates as the cases work through the courts. Most likely all federal mandates are going to be tossed. It will then be a company / state issue. And if you live in a state (such as Florida) which bans vaccine mandates, an employer won’t be able to deny you a job due to it anyway. I highly doubt the vax issue is affecting flow pilots.

Zerosilver84 12-02-2021 03:27 AM


Originally Posted by 13pro (Post 3329843)
Except they can still ask for (and likely receive) a religious exemption. Also, the government contractor mandate, as well as the “over 100” employee mandate, are both on hold. The CMS mandate (which isn’t anything to do with airlines, but healthcare) is also on hold now. The courts are all pretty well suspending these mandates as the cases work through the courts. Most likely all federal mandates are going to be tossed. It will then be a company / state issue. And if you live in a state (such as Florida) which bans vaccine mandates, an employer won’t be able to deny you a job due to it anyway. I highly doubt the vax issue is affecting flow pilots.

Well they did say we only lost one flow slot for personal reasons. As that pilot pulled out after saying yes to flow. So who knows the exact reason why. I do expect all 20 who flow in December to resign over the next week before their class date. And all 20 to actually go. But we will see.

PilotJ3 12-04-2021 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by 13pro (Post 3329843)
Except they can still ask for (and likely receive) a religious exemption. Also, the government contractor mandate, as well as the “over 100” employee mandate, are both on hold. The CMS mandate (which isn’t anything to do with airlines, but healthcare) is also on hold now. The courts are all pretty well suspending these mandates as the cases work through the courts. Most likely all federal mandates are going to be tossed. It will then be a company / state issue. And if you live in a state (such as Florida) which bans vaccine mandates, an employer won’t be able to deny you a job due to it anyway. I highly doubt the vax issue is affecting flow pilots.

But Delta doesn’t have a FL pilot base and every NH is considered be based in ATL until done with OE.

Casualinterest 12-04-2021 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 3330845)
But Delta doesn’t have a FL pilot base and every NH is considered be based in ATL until done with OE.

Right. It's where you're based or employed. Not where you live

13pro 12-05-2021 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by Casualinterest (Post 3330902)
Right. It's where you're based or employed. Not where you live

wrong. It’s where you live. That’s why on the application, it specifically has an option under the Covid vaccine question, that says,:

N/A*

* I live or work outside of the U.S. or in a city or state where employer mandated COVID-19 vaccines are not permitted.

KelvinHelmholtz 12-05-2021 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by 13pro (Post 3331389)
wrong. It’s where you live. That’s why on the application, it specifically has an option under the Covid vaccine question, that says,:

N/A*

* I live or work outside of the U.S. or in a city or state where employer mandated COVID-19 vaccines are not permitted.

I have the feeling you probably won’t get called if you check that box…

13pro 12-05-2021 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz (Post 3331419)
I have the feeling you probably won’t get called if you check that box…

we have a contractual agreement that they will hire us (flow). Yes, I’m sure there are ways they could get around it, but the fact that they essentially have agreed to hire everyone of us when the time comes, makes it very difficult for them to then not hire you because of this.

I agree, it is probably much less likely for an OTS candidate to get a call by checking this box, but it’s different with the flow. They can’t just “not call”.


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