So in this mythical merger what happens to the Compass American lift?

Envoy gets it

Rule #27 of the airlines: if managements lips are moving they are probably telling a lie. Ask the CPZ folks how that worked out when they were told there was no plans to close MSP

I’m sure envoy can cover flying but what if AA says no, we want CPZ to continue providing us lift. That’s why a merger is absolutely loony to even be discussing. It wouldn’t be worth the legal and contractual trouble than to just say, no more delta flying, give us those planes.

Was the Colgan Q400 flying at the end of the contract? Honest question...

Wasn’t here for that

Nope. When Delta became DIP during chpt 13 for endeavor they sawed off the United arm as a FOAD to United and our judge let them do it because in 2014 it made no sense to dump money into us there were still 12-14 regionals.

Republic was smart suckering Delta into DIP for their chpt13 because united and Murican came in as financial partners to republic judge and that meant republic could saw off the whole 50 seat delta market, which delta intended to stick them with post BK at a breakeven rate. Ever wonder why we started loading up on 50 seaters instead of getting 175s?

Are you serious? In the following diagram you = the cessna LOL

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/up...-even-lift.jpg

That’s a Tri Pacer, so it’s worse for him than even you think lol!


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Yeah, the whole 145 thing is the reason we got all those 50 seaters. I'm not complaining about that, and anyone who knew what was going on saw it coming from a mile away.

16 CA’s short of threshold today in DTW and somehow no additional reserves days in opentime...

What? RE and TW knew we were getting 175s. Delta was shocked by the Republic deal, and instantly regretted the DIP. They tried to strongarm the republic judge and he told delta to pound sand. I guess you should get off that Facebook group and get headed to C tower.

The 50seaters brought down our customer service numbers and screwed up Delta's plans to get us all the gojet 700s for ny and looks like it's gonna continue. Oh well.

Whenever I hear "I'm gonna have to hand fly it in" like he's saddling up for some heroic feat to save the day like Neil Armstrong taking it over the boulder field, it always gives me the warm fuzzies that he's comfortable with what he's about to do.

Speaking of boredom, you just reminded me of one guy, on the one leg of the trip where he left the AP off for a couple of minutes. A few minutes into the flight, he announced "this is boring" as he turned the it on. That comment left me completely baffled, because no matter how "boring" flying a low-key departure may be, how can not flying be less boring than that?

Completely agreed, that's the ultimate goal and source of satisfaction in flying isn't it? (Except for when lowering the flaps in the 200)

Bill would never be the bearer of bad news until it was ready for execution. Anything he ever says will always reflect positivity to the last moment. Right now 9E is still on a decent upswing. Good money to be made. Although, I would suspect that it would be a GREAT idea to focus on finding employment at any outfit that is not delta; while waiting for the interview chance. Many good airlines are hiring and getting, say, an airbus type cert is very valuable to other majors as well.

Happy bankrupt anniversary.

They sure did love doing things on April 1st. Even when it did mean they had to make it happen on a Sunday.

Anyone noticed the companies new shenanigans with loa 67 pertaining to reassigned flying?

It breaks down like this. If you get reassigned more flying on day one which credits higher than your original day BUT have a min day some where on day two thee four etc, you will not be paid the overage on day one. You will notice a nice red mark on your rainmaker where your extra pay is being removed. They are using the min days to not have to pay on the overage days.

Comments?

That doesn’t sound right

Pilot issue form.

I use that as a last resort. First make a note on rainmaker, or call the crew pay hotline. If that doesn’t work do a pilot issues form. Usually it’s just a coding issue, and a pilot issue form can take a while

Seems like on here it's:
1. Write on Facebook
2. Write on APC
3. GRIPE in crew room to anyone that'll listen
4. Be told to fill out issue form.
5. Decide it's not worth it.

3.5. Complain to spouse.

I agree with the above, leave a note on rainmaker and see if they just fix it.

If they don't, send an email to the payroll group and alpa. If that still doesn't fix it, fill out a pilot issue form.

If all they're doing is adding flying on day 1 with no other changes, there is no way that the "displaced period" could stretch into other days then it's completely shenanigans but as someone mentioned it could just be a coding issue.

If you're displaced on all days of the trip then you'll need to look at the examples in LOA 67 to determine which flights should have been allocated to which days.

Cant believe Union would allow this, oh wait yes I can.

I can't believe you're this disconnected from the process.

Wait... Yes I can

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Haha. Nice.

The "Union" is us, if you think the current set of VOLUNTEERS are doing a bad job, and you think you can do better then it's time for you to start volunteering.

I used to do a fair amount of union work and I'll tell you, it's mostly a thankless job that robs you of days off and time away from work, but when I thought I could do better, I started volunteering.

If you're not willing to help out to solve what you see as a problem, then I guess you don't think it's really such a problem.

Edit: For clarity my response is really to Milkman. I guess that quoting could be confusing.

Right, all of my interactions with the reps has been positive. They probably don't get enough credit for how much unpaid work they have to do. That being said, we keep them honest when we don't like the way stuff goes. That's why there's a process to this stuff. I've filled out a few grievances and lost most of them but the reps did their best and were as friendly and helpful as they could be throughout.

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Here's the deal with this BS. I don't know if it's contractually right, and I haven't read the LOA. But the deal is that you will be paid what the original pairing was worth. Let's say you trade a 3-day trip and acquire a 4-day that's worth less than the three day because you want more credit for the extra day of work for premium. You wont get sh17. They will deduct the entire amount of the previous trip, and insert the credit of the new trip. End of story. No overage. no premium even if advertised.

Yea but why is it double-spaced?

Won’t get into naming names but what’s up with the one guy who posted yesterday in the FB group telling us what we should be putting in our company surveys? “Better contractual career progression” yeah, ok pal. Why don’t you fill out YOUR survey and I’ll fill out MINE. That buffoon posts more $hi@ on there and really takes away from the purpose of the group. Love the ending..”Management sees these”...ZOMG no way!?!?

What's double spaced? You mean why did I break it apart rather than wall of text?? If that's the question, reading comprehension is the answer. Lots of people won't read a wall of text. I had to really try to keep all of it together on this post.

I must be missing something, you dropped a three day (let's say 18 hrs) and you picked up a 4 day for less total hours ( 16 hours maybe).... and you're confused about why you didn't get premium pay?? Is that the question?

He may be, but it has nothing to do with loa 67.

Trip trades and premium credits are based on credit, at least that's sometimes an easy way to look at it. If you give up a high credit three day to pick up a garbage pile 4 day (and it's always been this way under this contract and its forebearer) then doom on you.

I think that's why I'm confused. If you drop 18 and pick up 16, you'd lose 2 hours of pay, there's no premium for working less... maybe we're missing something.

Wait and see. If that's the situation, then yeah, completely unrelated to LOA 67.

Well technically you could drop a garbage (16 hour credit ) 4 day for a nice credit ( over 16 hour credit) 3 day and get both the extra day off and premium pay... of course with every day being red reserve coverage, this is only theoretical, but would be contractually correct.

You're making our argument with a different example.

I read it as him agreeing with you and adding some more information.

Recent Memo
 

Maybe it's me but was that recent memo about crew rooms a little off putting??? Threatening the very crews that fly in and out of places like NYC during snow/rain/Irops??? I didn't think it was really necessary. Never mind the crew room at LGA isn't the nicest in the world. You can sit in it for eight hours on RR just don't be in there at night!

Wear your hat, make your PAs, be on time, go fast, send your delay codes, but if we find you in the crew room at night you may be fired!

Probably me but the culture here, has it in fact changed?